Nam Quoc Son Ha
Jul 22 2004, 03:44 AM
Two sisters face firing squad in Vietnam
Two sisters in Vietnam will face a firing squad after being convicted of a double murder and robbery.
Tran Hue Binh, 34, and Tran Hue Man, 29, were found guilty on Tuesday of killing a Chinese woman at her home in February last year in order to steal money to fund their heroin addiction.
After stabbing the woman to death the pair dragged her body into the bathroom but were spotted by her maid.
The sisters then turned the knife on her, killing her before making off with 160 dollars in cash.
They were arrested four days later.
At least people 71 have been sentenced to death this year in the communist nation and 38 have been executed by firing squad, according to figures compiled from state media and court officials.
21/07/2004 23:07:55 | ABC Radio Australia News
bombs_over_tokyo
Jul 22 2004, 03:49 AM
that's a sad story. before we start pointing fingers, let's pray for their souls.
...
now, the drugs dont work
it just make you worse
but i know i will see your face again
now, the drugs dont work
they just make you worse
but i know i'll see your face again
dalawapo
Jul 22 2004, 03:50 AM
damn this is the year 2004! what kind of ppl still do firing squads?
vn1234
Jul 22 2004, 03:54 AM
dumb people
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Jul 22 2004, 03:55 AM
Dalawapo, welcome to the world.
dalawapo
Jul 22 2004, 03:56 AM
America is part of the world too Quack!
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Jul 22 2004, 04:09 AM
The REAL world. Oh by the way, America practices capital punishment. Same $hit.
Just to let you know, getting shot by a 5 man firing squad is not so bad. At least it's instant death. Even if you don't die instantly, a bullet to the head that we call "shot of mercy" will do the job.
Bchung
Jul 22 2004, 04:20 AM
firing squad is not as bad as it sounds, if its one shot then death immidiately.
those injection that the americans use, are not painless and it takes time to kill.
Xa NgUoI MinH Yeu
Jul 22 2004, 07:21 AM
Drug make people do anything.......
Huynh
Jul 22 2004, 08:40 AM
dam that y i dont do drug
DaiNamViet
Jul 22 2004, 04:34 PM
Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?
bombs_over_tokyo
Jul 22 2004, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (Bchung @ Jul 22 2004, 05:20 AM)
firing squad is not as bad as it sounds, if its one shot then death immidiately.
those injection that the americans use, are not painless and it takes time to kill.
sometimes it'd take more than one shot. that's why it takes 5 to 10 excutioners.
jenny2004
Jul 22 2004, 05:05 PM
I think a firing squad is better then the electric chair or the lethal injection. lethal injection slowly poisons you and you suffer to your death. the Electric chair sometimes takes 2 or 3 times before they kill you and even if its the first time you sit there and buzz for at least a minute.
At least with the firing squad you die instantly.
Personally I think the best way would be to stick an IV in the arm and drain the blood out of the body, you just get tired then fall asleep and never wake up and its painless.
Bchung
Jul 22 2004, 06:56 PM
QUOTE (bombs_over_tokyo @ Jul 22 2004, 05:45 PM)
QUOTE (Bchung @ Jul 22 2004, 05:20 AM)
firing squad is not as bad as it sounds, if its one shot then death immidiately.
those injection that the americans use, are not painless and it takes time to kill.
sometimes it'd take more than one shot. that's why it takes 5 to 10 excutioners.
a head shot has a 98% success rate of instant death. 1.8% going to blackout immidiately (meaning they are not dead, but they wont feel $hit) 0.2% is the scary part, shot, still alive and awake.
I got that from some magazine, a few years ago. How accurate i dunno?
But then i think if two shots at the head at the sametime, will definetely means instant death.
dalawapo
Jul 22 2004, 07:19 PM
quoc ur so old
herosword
Jul 22 2004, 08:22 PM
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jul 22 2004, 04:50 AM)
damn this is the year 2004! what kind of ppl still do firing squads?

It's still legal in Utah. However, they haven't used recently.
QUOTE
firing squad is not as bad as it sounds, if its one shot then death immidiately.
those injection that the americans use, are not painless and it takes time to kill.
Lethal injection is probably the most humane form of capital punishment. Drug is injected to numb your pain and slow your heart. The poison is injected last. Some Victim's family who witness lethal injection complain that the prisoner had too peaceful of a death.
Johannjs
Jul 23 2004, 04:41 AM
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Jul 22 2004, 06:34 PM)
Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?
Probably in China town Cholon. Lots of opium (and all drugs) addicts among the people of Chinese origin in South Vietnam. Many live in Quan 4, the 4th district of Saigon-HCM, where there's also all sorts of trafficking, clans and "du côn cờ bạc đĩ điếm", families selling their own teenagers daughters.
This is very sad.
QUOTE
Tran Hue Binh, 34, and Tran Hue Man, 29, were found guilty
These are Vietnamized Chinese names.
Bchung
Jul 23 2004, 05:18 AM
QUOTE (herosword @ Jul 22 2004, 09:22 PM)
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Jul 22 2004, 04:50 AM)
damn this is the year 2004! what kind of ppl still do firing squads?

It's still legal in Utah. However, they haven't used recently.
QUOTE
firing squad is not as bad as it sounds, if its one shot then death immidiately.
those injection that the americans use, are not painless and it takes time to kill.
Lethal injection is probably the most humane form of capital punishment. Drug is injected to numb your pain and slow your heart. The poison is injected last. Some Victim's family who witness lethal injection complain that the prisoner had too peaceful of a death.
i am not sure about it. I heard that people have been complaining that the lethal injection is not painless. well no one can really tell yeah? I mean... ehhh, i dont think anyone can try both in one life time.
anyway to me i think the DP is needed, this crime you see brutal, and should not be tolerated. There are many way more disgusting crimes in this world, and sadly mostly its in poor developing nations.
jonii-wanwan
Jul 23 2004, 12:31 PM
I think capital punishment is terrible, however I can see the logic behind it.
Either by lethal injection or the facing the firing squad, you'll die either way right?
I heard when executed by the firing squad in some country, the family of the criminal get sent a bill for the number of bullets spent?
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Jul 23 2004, 06:10 PM
I think capital punishment should be legalised all over the world, provide that the condemned received a fair trial and proven guilty. These scums of society don't deserve to be fed and sheltered with public money.
The USA spends more money on their prison system than on their education system. How funny is that.
EmSkittles19
Jul 23 2004, 06:49 PM
I know some people used to eat a ton of food before they were to be hanged and their necks would be so fat the rope wouldn't be able to snap their spinel cord and they got out scot free so now with the firing squad, I wonder if they can be let free if they survive too? That would be great.
Kulong
Jul 23 2004, 06:52 PM
I'm glad the Viet government is going to kill them damn Viet b!tches.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Jul 23 2004, 06:53 PM
If you get out free, the chance of you being incapacitated or brain dead is 99.999%
With firing squad, first you get shot by a squad of 5 people (I've seen a video of Vietnamese execution), then you get a shot in the head with a handgun by the commander through the temple just to make sure you're dead.
jonii-wanwan
Jul 24 2004, 09:11 AM
QUOTE
If you get out free, the chance of you being incapacitated or brain dead is 99.999%
With firing squad, first you get shot by a squad of 5 people (I've seen a video of Vietnamese execution), then you get a shot in the head with a handgun by the commander through the temple just to make sure you're dead.
That's reassuring. Shouldn't they just pop one in the head first. It might save some ammo. Or do the firing squad need aiming practises?
asian_invasion
Jul 24 2004, 10:03 AM
Where do they aim when they are firing at the person?
jonii-wanwan
Jul 24 2004, 10:05 AM
Well hopefully the head. It's a "Mercy Shot".
asian_invasion
Jul 24 2004, 10:07 AM
^^I mean the 5 person squad?
QUOTE
I know some people used to eat a ton of food before they were to be hanged and their necks would be so fat the rope wouldn't be able to snap their spinel cord and they got out scot free so now with the firing squad, I wonder if they can be let free if they survive too? That would be great.
Not much chance of them surviving unless the firing squad has really bad aim.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Jul 24 2004, 05:58 PM
Nope. The firing squad aim for the heart. They usually put a red bull's eye on the heart so the squad executioners knows where the heart is.
To finish the condemned off, the commander then will give him a "shot of mercy" right through the temple just to make sure he's dead.
A doctor would then check for the condemned's pulse to make sure he's dead. The condemned would then be buried immediately.
Nice and simple isn't it.
supernovasp
Jul 24 2004, 06:22 PM
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 23 2004, 05:41 AM)
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Jul 22 2004, 06:34 PM)
Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?
Probably in China town Cholon. Lots of opium (and all drugs) addicts among the people of Chinese origin in South Vietnam. Many live in Quan 4, the 4th district of Saigon-HCM, where there's also all sorts of trafficking, clans and "du côn cờ bạc đĩ điếm", families selling their own teenagers daughters.
This is very sad.
QUOTE
Tran Hue Binh, 34, and Tran Hue Man, 29, were found guilty
These are Vietnamized Chinese names.
You base on names to determine if they are chinese ethnics or not.
That's kind of stupid.
My friend name is Tran Au-Nhien, and her brother name is Tran Au-Minh. As far as I know their parents are Kinh ethnic Vietnamese.
Just because they have names that are different than the typical Vietnamese, that doesn't mean they're some other ethnics, and same way applied for surnames. In Northern Vietnam, Mai and Dao are also popular last names.
If Cao Ba Quat lives in modern time now, I think you would think of him as a Chinese-ethnic.
Emperor
Jul 24 2004, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 23 2004, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Jul 22 2004, 06:34 PM)
Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?
Probably in China town Cholon. Lots of opium (and all drugs) addicts among the people of Chinese origin in South Vietnam. Many live in Quan 4, the 4th district of Saigon-HCM, where there's also all sorts of trafficking, clans and "du côn cờ bạc đĩ điếm", families selling their own teenagers daughters.
This is very sad.
QUOTE
Tran Hue Binh, 34, and Tran Hue Man, 29, were found guilty
These are Vietnamized Chinese names.
Sure, Vietnamese never commit crimes, it's always the Chinese.
suupa61
Jul 24 2004, 06:40 PM
2 dead people for $160?
supernovasp
Jul 24 2004, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (Emperor @ Jul 24 2004, 07:37 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 23 2004, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Jul 22 2004, 06:34 PM)
Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?
Probably in China town Cholon. Lots of opium (and all drugs) addicts among the people of Chinese origin in South Vietnam. Many live in Quan 4, the 4th district of Saigon-HCM, where there's also all sorts of trafficking, clans and "du côn cờ bạc đĩ điếm", families selling their own teenagers daughters.
This is very sad.
QUOTE
Tran Hue Binh, 34, and Tran Hue Man, 29, were found guilty
These are Vietnamized Chinese names.
Sure, Vietnamese never commit crimes, it's always the Chinese.
It can be though, since the Chinatown in Saigon formed many gangs.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Jul 24 2004, 06:43 PM
QUOTE (Emperor @ Jul 24 2004, 07:37 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 23 2004, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Jul 22 2004, 06:34 PM)
Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?
Probably in China town Cholon. Lots of opium (and all drugs) addicts among the people of Chinese origin in South Vietnam. Many live in Quan 4, the 4th district of Saigon-HCM, where there's also all sorts of trafficking, clans and "du côn cờ bạc đĩ điếm", families selling their own teenagers daughters.
This is very sad.
QUOTE
Tran Hue Binh, 34, and Tran Hue Man, 29, were found guilty
These are Vietnamized Chinese names.
Sure, Vietnamese never commit crimes, it's always the Chinese.
It's true, Vietnamese people never commit crimes, only the Chinese

jk
That is not his point, he is merely raising an interesting fact that the names sounds very Chinese. And yes they sound like Vietnamese adapted Chinese names. No need to get sensitive there, no one is denying that Vietnamese doesn't have bad apples among them, the same as there are always very wicked Chinese among the good ones.
Byron
Jul 24 2004, 06:43 PM
Dude does it really even matter? It was just 2 drug addicted women who needed money for drugs badly and just randomely picked a house. I really doubt they even knew the owner was Chinese.
Considering 1 out of every 10 Vietnamese in Ho Chi Minh City is an ethnic Chinese then the odds are pretty good that the victim would be Chinese.
cds
Jul 24 2004, 08:00 PM
The victim must carry Chinese citizen otherwise the news would not mention "Chinese" there since ethnic Chinese in Vietnam are considered Vietnamese citizens.
There are many Chinese as well as Taiwanese citizens doing business in Vietnam right now we should know.
Johannjs
Jul 24 2004, 08:41 PM
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 24 2004, 05:43 PM)
QUOTE (Emperor @ Jul 24 2004, 07:37 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 23 2004, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Jul 22 2004, 06:34 PM)
Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?
Probably in China town Cholon. Lots of opium (and all drugs) addicts among the people of Chinese origin in South Vietnam. Many live in Quan 4, the 4th district of Saigon-HCM, where there's also all sorts of trafficking, clans and "du côn cờ bạc đĩ điếm", families selling their own teenagers daughters.
This is very sad.
QUOTE
Tran Hue Binh, 34, and Tran Hue Man, 29, were found guilty
These are Vietnamized Chinese names.
Sure, Vietnamese never commit crimes, it's always the Chinese.
It's true, Vietnamese people never commit crimes, only the Chinese

jk
That is not his point, he is merely raising an interesting fact that the names sounds very Chinese. And yes they sound like Vietnamese adapted Chinese names. No need to get sensitive there, no one is denying that Vietnamese doesn't have bad apples among them, the same as there are always very wicked Chinese among the good ones.
This article raises many points of principle:
1°) Vietnam has good or normal press with journalists of other ASEAN countries and of Japan + China, but ALWAYS bad press with journalists of Australia, very often because these journalists are anti-Vietnam Vietnamese. Here, with this article, ABC is clearly looking for trouble.
I also happen to know these journalists whom I met in other forums on the net, they are also off-the-context very bad Vietnamese-to-English translators.
2°) It's true the majority of opium and other drugs addicted people in Vietnam are from Chinese ethnics; it's true that the majority of drugs traffickers are from Chinese and Khmer ethnics.
Now, the question was
"Where did this crime take place? Is the Chinese a new emigre or an ethnic?"
and you don't need to be a criminologist to imagine the Chinese victim was in one of the Chinese quarters.
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