Not trying to attack them, but their less than illustrious record with their fellow Vietnamese have been very shoddy. I don't have a problem with people unless they give me problems or my fellow peers.

I got quite a lot of negative answers on one Vietnamese forum. So I'm going to ask this question here. Since this place is populated by Viet Kieu that may be Catholic.

What are their positive contributions to VietNam and the Vietnamese people?

Well, I don't think it should matter if a person is Catholic or not, it is whether they contribute to Vietnam. I can see alot of great support in the Future from Vietnamese Catholics. There are Vietnamese Catholics that I know that don't give a crap about Cong hoa or Cong san anymore. They just see a future.

A family at war
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,214575,00.html

a good deal of the vc's i know have never been back to vietnam because a lot of those families all (im talking grandparents, uncles and aunties on both sides) went vuot bien back in the 80s and hence theres noone left in vietnam for them to visit or give a rats @ss about...i think a lot of these kinds of vietnamese catholics (usually bac ky 54's) will definitely lose the connection with the motherland ... i find their more concerned with catholicism than viet pride

I'm sick of those ignorants who vare finishing up into trivial conclusion without a research on Vietnamese catholics whatsoever !

Nguyen Tru*o*`ng Tô.

Hoàng Xuân Ha~n ... are some of illustrous catholic people you just don't know about.

You know who are the most devoted caregivers to lepers ? Catholics sisters ! And even the communist have to admit it.

Scores of catholic foundations are funding money to build social and medical infrastructure in VN....

I know a lot of succesful buddhists who are grateful of the education they got in catholic schools.

We don't need to cry out our benefaction on top of the roofs like Nguyen Cao Ky. Only the poor and the weak could judge us.

How many buddhists have been benefactor to Vietnam ? How many buddhists have proved damaging to Vietnam ?


Buddha should be ashamed of having followers like you, spreading hatred based on ignorance and jealousy.

Maybe, you are doing it without realizing it, but you are indeed attacking Vietnamese catholics with an opening sentence like that. "Less than illustrious record", "shoddy" are evidently _not_ pleasant things.



Well, since Vietnamese catholics are a minority in the country, their contributions and achievements are certainly less visible. I agree, though, the topic is pretty much trivial.

If what you say prove to be true, I would have sympathy for those catholics: Why wasting time, money and health for a country populated with nasty people who don't miss an opportunity to condemn you just because of your faith ? I'm of Bac Ky 1954 descent and my fatherland is the one my parents once experienced, and the one I personally encountered in some remote places in actual VN, a peaceful country with peaceful people living together without religious prejudice.

I would have no pride of a country populated with ignorant, naughty and heinous people.

1. Nguyen Van An who was the chairman of the national assembly of communist Vietnam has a catholic wife. He once said to American politicians: "I'm a buddhist while my wife is a catholic. Our children don't only go to church but temple too..."

“Tôi theo đạo Phật còn vợ tôi theo Thiên chúa giáo. Con tôi lúc thì đi chùa, lúc đi nhà thờ..."
http://www.tuoitre.com.vn/Tianyon/Index.as...amp;ChannelID=2



2. Nguyen Ngoc Lan who was a catholic priest and a journalist worked as a spy for the communists during the Vietnam war.



Goodbye brother Nguyen Ngoc Lan (just died)

by Tran Bach Dang

Feb 27, 2007

http://www.thanhnien.com.vn/Xahoi/2007/2/27/182964.tno

Assuming those words are reliable ( I never trust communists news). A communist who adheres to Marx's thought for whom "religion is people's opium" claims to be buddhist ! Has he done anything to loose the regime's claws around the Buddhist association headed by Thich Quang Dô. ? Thiên Chu'a Gia'o means christian which is not specifically catholic !

I don't know who Nguyen Ngoc Lan is but assuming he really existed, he might have been be a priest who gave up his duty to get involved into politics, he was mislead by the independance claim façade of the Communist and one could guess he bitterly realised his error right after 30th April 1975. As a result, he disappeared and no one heard of him in spite of so many unfairness and repression.

The article gave indication on how free the vietnamese press was before 1975: The article criticizing the President was published without any censorship. Nowadays, who, in VN, dare criticize the communist party and its top members ?

Christian is Cơ Đốc giáo not Thiên Chúa Giáo.


"...người Việt Nam còn gọi Thiên Chúa giáo là Công giáo..."

http://www.cuuthe.com/bao/s202niemtin.html

"Thiên Chúa giáo cũng thường được sử dụng bởi những người ngoài Kitô giáo để chỉ Công giáo."

http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kit%C3%B4_gi%C3%A1o

thiên chu'a gia'o is not specifically công giao

mennonites, protestant, calvinists, baptists, catholics...are christian because we believe in the Christ the savior.
But there are some difference ins the catholic dogma and other christians.

I'm asking a legit question. WHAT ARE THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO VIETNAM? But since idiots like you want to go there. You guys have done much worse for VietNam while you guys were in power than any Buddhists. And Please a few donations and charity does not make up what they did in Vietnam. Not all but most Vietnamese Catholics are the Ngo Dinh Diem types. This is a fact that cannot be refuted. Hell even in the VK communities they tried to shut down Buddhist temples and build Catholic ones. Goes to show you their level of tolerance. Nothing has changed for these types of people since 1954.

You guys have always blamed Buddhists and Thich Quang Duc's self immolation for the collapse of your $hitty South VietNam along with America's withdrawal. How about looking at your stupidity, incompetence, lack of leadership and idiotic policies first? You guys did a mighty fine job in pumping out VC after VC in the south because of dumbasses like Diem, Nhu, Thieu were in power.

I don't deal with bull s-hit, so here's a few real facts for you boy.
The Vietnamese Catholic leadership of South VietNam and what the Vietnamese Catholics did.


Buddhist monks, nuns in a concentration camp right outside Saigon. About to be herded off to get shot. They were accused of being communists for protesting their right to practice their own religion.


Buddhist monks, nuns and various protesters having barb wire placed around them for protesting. This would occur daily during '63.


Tanks outside a Buddhist pagoda. Many Buddhist abbots will be arrested and thrown in jail. This would happened all over Catholic South Vietnam. I forgot to mention they were accused of being communists and got shot also.


Protests erupts all over Catholic South VietNam, by Buddhists citizens sick and tired of being oppressed by the Catholic minority. The best jobs and spots in universities were reserved for the Catholics. Everyone else was discriminated against.
And by the way since most Catholics benefitted from French Colonialism and South VietNam, they were extremely rich and bribed their way in not serving the ARVN, whereas everyone else joined and fought against their northern brothers.

More protests.


A Buddhist monk confronts the ARVN.

They open fire.


Some die.

All orchestrated by Ngo Dinh Diem, the Catholic leader. Who is consider to be the greatest leader in Vietnamese history by by a lot of Viet Kieu but especially amongst the Vietnamese Catholics.

A video clip by Madame Ngo Dinh Nhu talking about barbecue monks, who is also highly revered by Vietnamese Catholics and many Viet Kieu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_PWM9gWR5E

I have to admit Vietnamese Catholics contributed a lot to VietNam, like French colonialism, slavery, murder, rape, oppression, the infamous Vietnam/American war, selling the land to the Catholic Church during the VNCH era, etc.

How you like dem facts?

Oh no ! Another brainwashed heinous idiot. It makes me think of Germany in the 1930's ....

Buddism roots are in India, right ?!!! Who can state that no crime has ever been wrongly committed on behalf of buddhism ? I 'm not interested in enumerating scores of so called buddhists who have betrayed the Vietnamese nation thoughout history.

Sure that if Vn were populated with heinous and moronic people like you , I would consider myself as a true apatrid.

As for history, I consider that all the buddhist dynasty Nguyen harmed VN. In addition, I would add that all the renegate buddhist generals sold off to the US, all the buddhist simple minds who wrongly joined the communists just to oppose the "catholic" FRench, the "Christian americans" and the "catholic VNCH" have contributed to the harming the VN nation.

Fortunately, I'm not as idiot as to generalise that all buddhists are traitors. Buddha was wise, not all his followers...Unfortunately.

You know what, I even know the internet website that nurturs this hatred with untrue information.

Personally I think Catholicism and Buddhism are equally foreign, since they were both a foreign product introduced by brown people (Catholicism came from the middle east and Buddhism came from India).

Atheism should remain the official state religion and if there was any religion that Vietnam should have it is the Monothiest religion Vietnamese people had until Buddhism came about, since that is Vietnam's original religion.

Catholicism and Buddhism blah blah blah

An @$$hole is an @$$hole it doesn't matter which religion that person choose. Like Diem is any different if he was a Buddhist.

I'm sure a lot of Khmer rouge were Buddhist peace loving people. Loving to rape, kill, and eat your fu-king livers.

Y'all know what I'm saying?? Its cool if you don't because atleast I do.

Vietnamese should just worship their parents and ancestors.

^Yeah that kind of worship is non-destructive. Other religions just do nothing but promote the ego and create tensions between those who are in that religion and those that aren't. Religion acts more like a divider than a unifier of the people. Ho Chi Minh had forseen this and fought hard to wipe out the ego of religion caused by Diem and his lackeys and unify Vietnam by destroying the divider.

The fact is, Ngo Dinh Diem was a creep, a scum and a liar. You don't like Communists? At least, the Communists fought for their country. What makes you think that I believe that Ngo Dinh Diem Catholics are legitimate Vietnamese? What did these Ngo Dinh Diem Catholics ever do that makes them legitimate Vietnamese? Many members of my family fought the French colonialists. My family is a bunch of Buddhists with simple minds? The only thing to us that mattered then and now is that the French colonialists leave Vietnam, either with their suitcases or in a coffin. That is exactly what happened. No apologies.

You may decry the fact that HCM was a Communist. But I have a lot more of a problem with those who have been Ngo Dinh Diem Catholics all their lives. Vietnam is a tolerant nation and the Vietnamese people is a tolerant people. For this reason, I doubt that our Vietnamese culture has any room for the type of Catholicism practiced by the likes Ngo Dinh Diem and his Northern Catholic followers, then or now.

If you want to show me that you are a Vietnamese, tell me that you are a Vietnamese. Don't ever tell me that you are Catholic first, second and third. I am a Buddhist, but I am a Vietnamese first. I am a Kinh, but I am Vietnamese first. I am a Southerner, but I am Vietnamese first.

As a supporter of the Tay Son rebels, I have zero love or affection for the Nguyen dynasty. Were any of the Nguyen dynasty still ruling over Vietnam, I would most likely be plotting his assassination. The Communists may or may not go from power, but Vietnam will stay a republic regardless.

you gotta remember the more well off vietnamese buddhists who sided with vncs to rid diem also have a lot to feel stupid about (because they were the first ones trying to di vuot bien after that!). These are the kind of people who are ashamed to tell their kids about vietnam and what they were doing before the war ended.

u have to realise that not all viet kieu are catholic or pro diem...many families are like mine, anti communist, anti diem, viet kieus. we dislike anyone who supports communist governments as much as anyone who was pro-diem and his catholic policies because both were bad for VIET NAM. (for reasons why please use the search button)

In the meantime though, ill make the most of the wealthy country that im in now and be back one day to help Viet Nam become a better place. You heard it here first!

"Emperor" Bao Dai, Diem, Thieu ... were Catholics.

What did they do TO VN? Do you know the saying "Rước voi về dày mả tổ" ? But then their loyalty weren't with mả tổ ...

Enough said



I guess this is how they felt about those who opposed them:

In Vietnam, people call Catholicism "Thiên Chúa Giáo", Christian "Cơ Đốc Giáo". Look them up in online English-Vietnamese dictionaries.

Yes, Catholicism like Protestantism is a part of Christianity. Catholics can be called Christians but being Christian doesn't make you Catholic.

"Công giáo" was used when Diem in power and made in "national religion" hence its name is "Công giáo".

Thiên Chúa giáo is Chistianity and đạo Kitô hay đạo Cơ đốc is Catholicism.

Có quá nhiều người dùng nói đến chữ công giáo 1 cách vô thức hay dùng chữ "cha" Lý cũng vô thức mà hoàn toàn không hiểu rằng những từ này không được chấp nhận ở xã hội Việt Nam hiện tại hay trong 1 xã hội đa tôn giáo. Use priest instead of father, dùng từ linh mục thay cho từ cha, và dùng từ đạo cơ đốc thay cho từ "công" giáo. Respect other religions.

Thanks for this information, I never knew that.

NOTHING!

my pov:

uh i think it's you who's spreading the hate
please read the whole thing before replying
by the way
no need to mention buddhists
did jose cuervo even mention buddhists?
no i don't think so

dude why are you like so biased against viet catholics??
just because a few went bad
doesn't mean that they're all bad
geez
you generalize too much
calm down dude
it's just a religion
just what people believe in
it does not affect their actions
grow up and be more open minded

buddhism is not a religion
buddhists are athiests
buddha is not god
buddhism is a way of life

Carbon 14 dating technique was use on a relic contain Jesus' organic materials did not dated back 2000 years ago where supportingly he walked the earth. The bible is a scam!!!!! Viet catholics are a bunch of suckas!

lmao

how rude!
it's what they believe in
show some respect dude

^ genomvirus has always been like that
it's his way of posting
yea it's funny but mean and rude sometimes
but he told me he enjoys being an idiot here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4210369.stm


New test result by some gay testing company so there's still hope for you catholics. BUT I got my money on the 1988 test results though, since it was tested in multiple labs (about 5 labs) around the U.S and they all got the same result. I wouldn't be surprise if Thermochimica Acta was pay a $hit load of cash by some catholic church for trying to distort the truth.

I lost my faith, have you?


Now if you excuse me I have some sining to do.

im down with Catholics. Unprotected sex ftw.

i dont give a $hit about those Cath.
religions divided Vietnam.
fk religion.

I have no problem with Catholics as long as they don't say their God is better than mine. They have to prove it for me to believe.

All humans are created equal and should be treated equal.
Religions are full of $hit.