I'm always hearing WWII this and WWII that......

let's talk about the Russo-Japanese War and the Japanese involvement in WWI!
of course, i am not knowledged in those areas (yet) so would anyone care to enlighten me???

first off, let's start with the situations that led up to these conflicts and perhaps major battles and outcomes of the war?

let's talk about something new for a change.....

EDIT: i'm not trying to be negative to anyone in any way.....i just want to learn something new other than more WWII stuff.....

besides, history is important to us because TODAY is built on YESTERDAY! :genius:

Yeah something new for a change...

The russian-japan war was caused because the russians were expanding in asia. Imperial japan had it's own plans for the rest of asia. Especially manchuria. Japan did not want a war with russia so they attempted to make an agreement with russia to leave alone korea and manchuria. Of course the russians did not like this idea and said no.

This angered the japanese leadership. It resulted in a surprise attack on one of the russian ports. Through most of the war the imperial army was outnumbered by the russians. It was only the other way around in a few battles. Japan lost around 40,000 men during the war. However many more russians were killed probably around 80,000 loses for them on the ground. During almost every naval battle the japanese beat the hell out of the russians. The imperial fleet was a killing machine to put simple. The russians had inferior weapons and would just put anyship into battle. Their tactics were also inferior.

Anyway at the end the americans got involved as usual and the russians backed off with manchuria and korea. Japan got alot of territory from russia as well.

are the Kurile/Sakhalin island disputes caused by this Russo-Japanese war or were these lands that Russia acquired/seized after the japanese surrender in ww2?

Kuril Islands are a problem caused by WWII. The Russians actually entered the war against Japan after the first atom bomb was dropped. The Russians were assured to win after they saw the bomb dropped and they wanted to dabble in the spoils of war. They saw that if they were on the victors side, they could get some land. That's why they entered the war only a week before it ended.

Anyway, Japan-Russo war is fairly important part of Japanese history. It is the changing point of Japan. Japan until then, regardless of what sort of industrialization and westernization it had accomplished, was still considered an Asian, lowly, third world country by Europe and America. It had not won any serious wars (only against Shin/China). Russia at the time was one of the biggest naval countries in the world, probably second only to Great Britain. When Japan completely annihalated the Russians, the western world had a great new profound sense that Japan was a new world power. Unfortunately, America wanted to gain from this war, so they meddled in our post war peace treaties. This caused Japan to not get as much stuff as they should have from the war. Still, in America textbooks, to defend the actions of past American leadership, they write that Japan didn't win the war. Textbooks around the world all acknowledge that Japan won except the US and maybe Russia (I'm not sure if Russia still denies that they lost).

Because of this victory, Japanese military leaders became over confident. Because of this over confidence they came to believe that they were invincible and they grew power hungry. Pretty soon, the generals wanted more and more land when Japan didn't need it and it caused the downfall of Japan.

" WORLD WAR II YOU KILL CHINA!!! YOU KILL LOTS !!! YOU DIE NOW!!! YOU GO HELL!!! YOU PAY NOW!! YOU PAY!! I WANT MONEY!!! YOU PAY AND YOU DIE!!! "

Lmao...

u're not even chinese.

He's trying to give Chinese people a ibad image.

Did the Russian-Japanese War occur in 1905 (?).
I heard that some Russian battleships had to hide themselves in Cam Ranh bay of Vietnam to avoid more superior Japanese ships. That’s why after the Vietnam War, the Russians come back and have Cam Ranh bay as one of her biggest naval stations in the Pacific Fleet.

Hahahahahahhahahahha!!!!!!

Dude, take your China bashing somewhere else. China had nothing to do with the Russian and Japanese conflict, well it did, but the WWII thing didn't.

1905 indeed. I just find the entire thing funny. Big drunken russian white men hiding in fear from little japanese people. So much racial superiority.

The Japanese cowardly called America for a help to get involve between Russo-Japanese war. If I believe correctly from my Russian history text book.

Exactly. Your RUSSIAN history text book. And they're telling us Japanese that we edit our textbooks.

The Americans just mediated the peace treaty. We fought the Russians all by ourselves, and won too.

The japanese did nothing cowardly in that war. The americans were trying to mediate since the war began. The russians always try to make themselves look like heros everywhere anyway. Too much vodka for them.

correct me if i am wrong but was President Roosevelt the one who was the mediator at Portsmouth where the treaty between Russia and Japan was made?

I remember from my Chinese history book several years ago, the Japo-Russian War was exhausting Japan's economy, that's why they needed to settle down for a while.

Anyway, although I don't like Japan's imperialist aggression on Chinese northest, I think Togo Heihachiro 東鄉平八郎 was a good military leader.

The suprise attack was pretty cowardly IMHO. The Japanese should have declared war first.

兵者, 詭道也

Speaking of military and war, cunning tactics and strategies is the way. The hell you care about declaring war , as long as you can defeat your enemy.

I really have nothing to say. This is really funny. An Asian country defeating a European country is not in any way cowardly.

Japan are the first Asian country to defeated the super power

Then shortly after japan was defeated and independence was stolen. So in the end the white men were victorious.

I remember reading this in my history textbook. This was the first time an Eastern power defeated a Western one in a war.

^^yup

I thought Genghis Khan's campaign was the first time an Eastern power defeating western power...? Or should I say powers.

no no it said first Asian country to defeated superpower this is modern history we are talking about :genius:

No, On 16 July 1945, the "Big Three" leaders met at Potsdam, Germany, near Berlin to begin plotting the post-war arrangements in Europe and occupation of Germany.

Also, Britain's Windston Churchill and US President Truman, pressured and requested Soviet Union to break its Non-agression treaty with Japan after Germany defeated.

It was Pre-planned and Pre-requested that Russia to invade Japan after Germany was defeated.

The Atom bomb has nothing to do with Russian invasion of Japan.




Gain land? Manchuria was going to Return to China after the war anyways

the russian invasion of japan have something to do with the nuke. america wanted japan to surrender so it could take it over, rather than russia, because they don't want russians to make japanese and other asian countries to be under russian control which would most probably make them communist, the big scare of the americans.

but this was world war two not the russo japanese war, probably the first war that a non western nation beat and humiliated a "western", russia is not really western if you think of it, nation. they also whooped the chinese in the sino japanese war that won them manchuria.

Uhh~~~ made in China, I haven't said anything that was wrong.

Russia did enter the war because it was absolutely positive that it would win once Japan was severely damaged by the atom bomb. Of course, the Big Three did meet in Potsdam and decided that they would make Japan have an unconditional surrender but Russia never entered the war until much later and even that unconditional surrender never occured. There were many conditions that Japan was able to obtain before surrendering.

The Japan-Russo war is a very interesting topic. It is rarely talked about. It is also one of the things that American history textbooks bend the facts on to "correct" America's history.

Well....

No. Not exactly. We're talking about Imperialist Europe.

That's untrue.

The Japanese Imperial Fleet commanded by Admiral Togo took refuge in Cam Ranh Bay to weather a very big typhoon. Later, Togo decided to use Cam Ranh Bay as a staging area (assemblage of his battleships) for the battle of Tsushima against the Russian Fleet.

Actually this may be correct. I may hove gotten the two mixed up.

Warned GernomVirus for flaming. Moved to Serious chat.

no, Russia didn't even know about the Atomic Bomb!

Russia strategically placed 47% of its entire army near the border of Manchuria and Mongolia.

Soviet union placed:

- 1.5 million men
- 28,000 guns
- 5,500 tanks
- 4,370 aircraft
-Across 3 Fronts-

The planning for Russian invasion of Manchuria was years in planning, and did NOT result from Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

It was LONG planned that after Germany was defeated, Russia would join in war against Japan.

Russia didn't even know about Atomic bomb, it was TOP SECRET!!!!!!!!

True, the Soviet Union was already ready for full scale war against japan after the defeat of the Third Reich, they just needed to declare war against japan in right time, and the A-bomb just dropped on Hiroshima.

hmmm....ehhh.....i thought this was about the russo-japanese war, not WWII!

something new for a change please! :genius:

well the japanese got port arthur from the rus, and it was a legendary naval battle, i forgot waht it was called, that a japanese admiral defeated a russian fleet similarly like the legend admiral horation nelson of uk.

Then I guess they can receive honoration for defeating US navals in Pearl Harbor... In the both Russian/American history text book says the japanese attacked Port Arthur without an warning, and also that day was Russian national holiday, which all Russian military personals were in vacation.

I don't understand why all Americans are pissed about Japanese attacking on a Sunday. Do you lazy Americans need a holiday EVERY SINGLE WEEK OF THE YEAR? The military should be alert every single minute of every single day. The enemy could attack any time. Japan should not be scolded for using GOOD TACTICS. In fact, blame your own leader that Pearl Harbor happened. FDR knew beforehand that Pearl Harbr was going to occur and purposely let Americans die for FDR's own selfish reasons.

Oh, you hypocritical Americans, let me tell you that the reason your country even exists today is because of your sneaky evil ways too. General George Washington crossed the Delaware in the famous American battle on CHRISTMAS! Washington knew that the mercenaries would be all drunk after their Christman celebration and he was right. He crossed the Delaware and attacked the enemy on a Christian holiday. So, before you accuse Japan of being evil for attacking Americans on a Sunday, look at yourselves. You exist because of a surprise attack on the British on CHRISTMAS.

lol barker...

i think that what George Washington did was also a GOOD TACTIC just like you said how the Japanese attack on a Sunday was a GOOD TACTIC

actually, it's not even GOOD TACTIC. they should both be SMART TACTIC!!! :genius: