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ranmatatsumaru
VietNamNet – Vietnam will receive US$10mil this year to combat HIV/AIDS from the US Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, announced US Global AIDS Coordinator Randall Tobias, who is in Vietnam on a two-day working visit.

Vietnam is one of 15 countries chosen for the $15bil US government programme, which will be implemented over five years.

Mr Tobias is currently in Hanoi to meet with Deputy Prime Minister Pham Gia Khiem, Minister of Healthcare Tran Thi Trung Chien and other Vietnamese heath officials to discuss the details of the funding. He visited Bach Mai Hospital, one of Vietnam’s biggest hospitals, yesterday afternoon.

Mr Tobias said that Vietnamese leaders are important factors in the fighting AIDS program. “I am very encouraged since almost Vietnamese leaders and heath officers all commited that they will execute the plan effectively,” he noted.

Speaking to the press at Bach Mai Hospital, Mr Tobias expressed his optimism that the HIV epidemic could be thwarted in Vietnam.

“We are pursing the ambitious goal to reduce mother-to-child transmission by 40 percent in the severely affected areas over the next five years,” he said.

“The training of 14,700 maternal and child health workers, and capacity building at over 900 healthcare facilities are heartening indications that we can meet that goal,” he added.

Mr Tobias also visited the Voluntary Counseling & Testing Centre (VCT), an HIV/AIDS advisory centre, and spoke with the centre’s leaders.

It was also announced yesterday that $515mil in additional funding will soon be released to fight HIV/AIDS in the 15 focus countries.

Hoang Huong
Johannjs
:genius: Foreign Aid

The USA is the world's biggest giver biggrin.gif

EDIT: Oooops! click on the link! icon_smile.gif
Nam Quoc Son Ha
US$10 doesn't sound like much to me.

The real problem is with the price of the anti-viral drugs through. Foreign companies charge exorbitant prices for HIV drugs, thus making it harder for poorer countries to treat their HIV-positive population. It would help alot of they do not try to profit from human tragedy.
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 06:55 PM)
US$10 doesn't sound like much to me.

you mean $10million, right? confused.gif
Johannjs
Shall I say it once more?

:genius: Foreign Aid

The USA is the world's biggest giver biggrin.gif
ngo.ngochy
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 06:55 PM)
US$10 doesn't sound like much to me.

The real problem is with the price of the anti-viral drugs through. Foreign companies charge exorbitant prices for HIV drugs, thus making it harder for poorer countries to treat their HIV-positive population. It would help alot of they do not try to profit from human tragedy.

Actually those drugs sell different prices in different places, Africa got like 95% discount on the drugs, but because they don't make that much money so they still can't afford it. You need a lot of money for research a drug too...
Byron
There's one way for sure to get rid of aids, but I think no one here is gonna like it.
wildkhmerbuddha
QUOTE (ranmatatsumaru @ Jul 11 2004, 05:12 PM)
VietNamNet – Vietnam will receive US$10mil this year to combat HIV/AIDS from the US Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, announced US Global AIDS Coordinator Randall Tobias, who is in Vietnam on a two-day working visit.

Vietnam is one of 15 countries chosen for the $15bil US government programme, which will be implemented over five years.

Mr Tobias is currently in Hanoi to meet with Deputy Prime Minister Pham Gia Khiem, Minister of Healthcare Tran Thi Trung Chien and other Vietnamese heath officials to discuss the details of the funding. He visited Bach Mai Hospital, one of Vietnam’s biggest hospitals, yesterday afternoon.

Mr Tobias said that Vietnamese leaders are important factors in the fighting AIDS program. “I am very encouraged since almost Vietnamese leaders and heath officers all commited that they will execute the plan effectively,” he noted.

Speaking to the press at Bach Mai Hospital, Mr Tobias expressed his optimism that the HIV epidemic could be thwarted in Vietnam.

“We are pursing the ambitious goal to reduce mother-to-child transmission by 40 percent in the severely affected areas over the next five years,” he said.

“The training of 14,700 maternal and child health workers, and capacity building at over 900 healthcare facilities are heartening indications that we can meet that goal,” he added.

Mr Tobias also visited the Voluntary Counseling & Testing Centre (VCT), an HIV/AIDS advisory centre, and spoke with the centre’s leaders.

It was also announced yesterday that $515mil in additional funding will soon be released to fight HIV/AIDS in the 15 focus countries.

Hoang Huong

another good new indeed. they sure smart enought to make a move to the root of all evil, so the ho not going to flood to cambodia and kill everyone.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (Byron @ Jul 11 2004, 09:36 PM)
There's one way for sure to get rid of aids, but I think no one here is gonna like it.

We need "The Final Solution". Make the whole Vietnamese population have a blood test. Those found positive should be exiled to Con Dao (Pescadore Islands) to live there and die there. Problem solved.

Sometimes we need an iron hand to get things done.
Byron
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 09:46 PM)
QUOTE (Byron @ Jul 11 2004, 09:36 PM)
There's one way for sure to get rid of aids, but I think no one here is gonna like it.

We need "The Final Solution". Make the whole Vietnamese population have a blood test. Those found positive should be exiled to Con Dao (Pescadore Islands) to live there and die there. Problem solved.

Sometimes we need an iron hand to get things done.

Yeah but how are they gonna live on the islands? How will they earn money?

What about innocent children who were born with the disease who are orphaned? Will you force them to live in exile on the island?

I do believe that drug users and whores who have the disease should be quarantined at once, but I'm not sure about the more innocent victims like children though. icon_sad.gif
TopNotch
Deport them to cambodia! lol.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
That's a moral dilema. Unfortunately we cannot have the best of both worlds. If we don't exile them or kill them, they will grow up, get married and spread aids.

Uh I don't know. Let's just hope they'll find a cure. The problem is that HIV virus is very hard to kill.
Johannjs
One sure way not to get affected by AIDS, is killing oneself. Done.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004, 09:57 PM)
One sure way not to get affected by AIDS, is killing oneself. Done.

I'm sure there are less extreme ways to prevent AIDS.

QUOTE
Deport them to cambodia! lol.


How nice of you embarassedlaugh.gif
ngo.ngochy
What's worse is that there are people that are HIV positive and not knowing because they are immune to the virus due to their lack of something in their cell membrane which I forgot.
Johannjs
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004, 09:57 PM)
One sure way not to get affected by AIDS, is killing oneself. Done.

I'm sure there are less extreme ways to prevent AIDS.


Probably. Like... not "shake hands" with foreigners...

QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE
Deport them to cambodia! lol.


How nice of you embarassedlaugh.gif


Anyway, all those (Vietnamese) who have AIDS are already in Cambodia
Byron
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004, 09:57 PM)
One sure way not to get affected by AIDS, is killing oneself. Done.

I'm sure there are less extreme ways to prevent AIDS.

QUOTE
Deport them to cambodia! lol.


How nice of you embarassedlaugh.gif

You can't find every person who has aids.

Some will just bribe the inspectors, and I'm sure there are some government officials who have the disease from doing it with whores, so they might use their power to skip it as well. Are you sure you can find everyone with the disease?
DaiNamViet
QUOTE (Byron @ Jul 11 2004, 10:20 PM)
You can't find every person who has aids.

Some will just bribe the inspectors, and I'm sure there are some government officials who have the disease from doing it with whores, so they might use their power to skip it as well. Are you sure you can find everyone with the disease?

It does'nt hurt to try ... beerchug.gif
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (Byron @ Jul 11 2004, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 10:05 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004, 09:57 PM)
One sure way not to get affected by AIDS, is killing oneself. Done.

I'm sure there are less extreme ways to prevent AIDS.

QUOTE
Deport them to cambodia! lol.


How nice of you embarassedlaugh.gif

You can't find every person who has aids.

Some will just bribe the inspectors, and I'm sure there are some government officials who have the disease from doing it with whores, so they might use their power to skip it as well. Are you sure you can find everyone with the disease?

Nothing is fool-proof but it can surely bring the epidemic to a manageable level.
Byron
9/10 odds that after we "purge" the people with aids, it will come back because some outsider will come in and start spreading it again.

Lets say it costs $10 to screen each person. Probably more.

That would be like 810 million dollars to screen everyone in Vietnam. Also add the costs of what we do to those who we find who have the disease. It's expensive.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (Byron @ Jul 11 2004, 10:24 PM)
9/10 odds that after we "purge" the people with aids, it will come back because some outsider will come in and start spreading it again.

Lets say it costs $10 to screen each person. Probably more.

That would be like 810 million dollars to screen everyone in Vietnam. Also add the costs of what we do to those who we find who have the disease. It's expensive.

OK $810 million and a bullet per person with AIDS. Doesn't sound like alot. I'll donate the bullets. LOL
Byron
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 10:27 PM)
QUOTE (Byron @ Jul 11 2004, 10:24 PM)
9/10 odds that after we "purge" the people with aids, it will come back because some outsider will come in and start spreading it again.

Lets say it costs $10 to screen each person.  Probably more.

That would be like 810 million dollars to screen everyone in Vietnam.  Also add the costs of what we do to those who we find who have the disease.  It's expensive.

OK $810 million and a bullet per person with AIDS. Doesn't sound like alot. I'll donate the bullets. LOL

no no no, no bullets. That's too painful. I would prefer to just place them in a ghetto or something and put barriers guarded by armed troops, and just separate them from the population until they die.
ngo.ngochy
You can't expect little kids to have aids unless their parents are found to have aids... why need 810mil?
Nero874
WTF? You guys really feel this way towards people with AIDs? They're our people too.

I agree something special should be done about those who know they have AIDs and uncaringly spreads it, but those with AIDS shouldn't be ostracized...sent to Cambodia, shot, or any other crap you guys come up with.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Well this is a light-hearted joke/conversation. Of course no person in their right state of mind would do or think of doing it to their own people. icon_wink.gif
ngo.ngochy
Yea, I was jk too...
Byron
The only people who I feel should be separated are the whores and drug users who have the disease. Since it spreads mostly through them.

Actually most people who have AIDS in Vietnam are whores. I think they should be separated from the general population.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
Drug addicts should definitely be sent to labour camps to get rid of their addiction as well as providing free labour to the state. beerchug.gif

I'm not sure about the prostitutes though. Most were innocent girls forced into the profession by circumstance and not of their own choosing. icon_neutral.gif
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 11 2004, 10:50 PM)
I'm not sure about the prostitutes though. Most were innocent girls forced into the profession by circumstance and not of their own choosing.  icon_neutral.gif

that's so sad cry2.gif bawling.gif
why does it have to be like that?
Johannjs
Perhaps yoga or kamasutra can heal the wounds better than medicines?
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004 @ 11:24 PM)
Perhaps yoga or kamasutra can heal the wounds better than medicines?

Kama Sutra? WTF.gif confused.gif
Johannjs
Where there is no hope,

Only Love can heal... Serenity...
holamon
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004, 10:24 PM)
Perhaps yoga or kamasutra can heal the wounds better than medicines?

Errr....too much kamasutra is one of the reasons that AID is an epidemic around the world.
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004, 11:55 PM)
Where there is no hope,

Only Love can heal... Serenity...

lol Yes I suppose you're right
Johannjs
QUOTE (holamon @ Jul 12 2004, 12:02 AM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 11 2004, 10:24 PM)
Perhaps yoga or kamasutra can heal the wounds better than medicines?

Errr....too much kamasutra is one of the reasons that AID is an epidemic around the world.

I wouldn't call that either kamasutra or even love!

that's the... underworld...
ranmatatsumaru
lol Well put, Johannjs beerchug.gif
ngo.ngochy
I thought AIDS can be cured in a way that you live longer than expected.. and I think they're working on the cure because there are people who live with AIDS (they won't die because of AIDS)
DaiNamViet
Will there ever be a cure for AIDS ?
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Jul 12 2004, 12:26 AM)
I thought AIDS can be cured in a way that you live longer than expected.. and I think they're working on the cure because there are people who live with AIDS (they won't die because of AIDS)

what causes the AIDS victims to die, if not AIDS itself? confused.gif
Johannjs
in fact I heard there was a way (serious) to cure aids, by just living a serene and brave simple good life in Tibet. I saw that on French TV!
DaiNamViet
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Jul 12 2004, 12:26 AM)
I thought AIDS can be cured in a way that you live longer than expected.. and I think they're working on the cure because there are people who live with AIDS (they won't die because of AIDS)

Thats not really a cure , thats just a tempory treatment ... icon_sad.gif
ngo.ngochy
QUOTE
Will there ever be a cure for AIDS ?

I think there will be, just need sometime...

QUOTE
what causes the AIDS victims to die, if not AIDS itself?  confused.gif

There are people who are immune to the HIV virus so those won't die from AIDS, but they can die from accidents or old age or other reasons.
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 12 2004, 12:33 AM)
in fact I heard there was a way (serious) to cure aids, by just living a serene and brave simple good life in Tibet. I saw that on French TV!

it makes sense to me! Tibet is a mystical land
DaiNamViet
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Jul 12 2004, 12:35 AM)
There are people who are immune to the HIV virus so those won't die from AIDS, but they can die from accidents or old age or other reasons.

Wow , we definitily need to find and examine these people to find out what their secret is ... -- icon_smile.gif
Johannjs
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Jul 12 2004, 12:35 AM)
QUOTE
Will there ever be a cure for AIDS ?

I think there will be, just need sometime...

QUOTE
what causes the AIDS victims to die, if not AIDS itself?  confused.gif

There are people who are immune to the HIV virus so those won't die from AIDS, but they can die from accidents or old age or other reasons.

Hy, one can be immune just by being one, just one, but not two or more!!!

so to say, every kiss can be the death kiss!!!
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (DaiNamViet @ Jul 12 2004, 12:44 AM)
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Jul 12 2004, 12:35 AM)

There are people who are immune to the HIV virus so those won't die from AIDS, but they can die from accidents or old age or other reasons.

Wow , we definitily need to find and examine these people to find out what their secret is ... -- icon_smile.gif

I agree. It might help to find a cure
ngo.ngochy
QUOTE
BERKELEY, California -- It took Adam Arkin and David Schaffer just $200,000 and a grad student to develop a potential treatment for AIDS. And that scares them.

That's because the therapy itself is a virus. The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory assistant professors created a virus altered to latch onto HIV and mute its ability to become AIDS. They've tested the theory in a computer model, and in cells in a dish. The results have been promising, and if they continue in that vein, the researchers could begin animal testing by the end of this year.

Arkin said this week at the International Biotech Summit at the University of California at Berkeley that it was almost too easy for him and his colleagues (Schaffer and then-grad student Leor Weinberger) to build the anti-HIV virus.

"If I can do it, anyone can do it," Arkin said. "That's going to be a problem."

Well, maybe not anyone. After all, Arkin, Schaffer and Weinberger, who was lead author on their Journal of Virology paper (reg. required) outlining a mathematic model of the system, are not your run-of-the-mill lab jockeys.

Still, bad guys can be brilliant, too, which is even more reason for the good guys to understand new biotechnologies as thoroughly as possible.

"The genie is out of the bottle, so we might as well study these things in earnest," Arkin said in an interview.

Plus, the potential good could outweigh the bad. By using a computer model of what happens to the immune system when it's infected with HIV, Arkin and his colleagues have designed a potential AIDS treatment that would remain with the patient as long as he or she has HIV, meaning it would prevent AIDS from arising even in patients who otherwise would have developed the disease after a decade of latency. They also predict HIV would not become resistant to the virus.

The treatment is made of a gutted HIV virus. The harmful parts of the virus are removed, and in their place the researchers have inserted a DNA cargo that inhibits HIV's ability to kill immune cells. It latches onto the natural HIV and spreads along with it, even from person to person.

If this process sounds familiar, it's because it is essentially gene therapy, albeit a transmissible gene therapy. But the term "gene therapy" has fallen out of favor because of a handful of fatalities in clinical trials and, after nearly three decades of research, no gene therapy method has been proven to work consistently.

So Arkin and Schaffer are instead calling the process "synthetic biology." Despite appearances, it's not an arbitrary term: The researchers are synthesizing biological elements into machines to do their bidding.

"An artificial virus is one such product, since it is designed and constructed using molecular biology tools for a specific therapeutic application," Schaffer said. "As another example, Jay Keasling in our department engineers bacteria to produce small-molecule pharmaceutical drugs."

Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, MIT and other institutions have established departments and courses dedicated to this manipulation of human molecules.

"All the capabilities are found in nature, just not in the right order to do what we want to do," Arkin said. "It's like changing the computer language. (Cells) perform amazing engineering feats under the control of complex cellular networks. We didn't design it, evolution did."

Computer modeling is key to figuring out what bacteria or viruses might do in a given situation. The computer model Arkin and Schaffer used showed that their therapy won't likely eliminate all HIV cells in a patient. But if the treatment inhibits HIV too much, the good virus won't be able to propogate.

"Maximal inhibition actually causes the therapy to extinguish itself," Schaffer said in an e-mail.

Without the computer model to guide them, the researchers may not have detected such subtleties. However, other labs like Virxsys (researchers there published work that gave Arkin et al. a foundation for their own work) are further along in developing a similar therapy (although the Berkeley researchers' method is unique in its piggyback effect) without the benefit of a computer model. Scientists there are already testing their treatment for safety in humans, and hope to test for efficacy by the end of this year, said Boro Dropulic, the company's founder and chief scientific officer.

Arkin and Schaffer's computer model will also help them foresee potential problems, which are plentiful when trying to treat a deadly disease with a manufactured virus. This is a virus that can be spread by having sex, just like HIV (although if it works, that could be a good thing). It's also possible that HIV and the therapeutic virus could mutate around each other and recombine to make an altogether new virus.

"I can't say now it won't make it worse," Arkin said.


http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,6...html?tw=rss.TOP
There's always hope. =)

Yeah, I know Johann, but they can help in the processing of looking for a cure...
ranmatatsumaru
what about using stem cells? would that work?
ngo.ngochy
embarassedlaugh.gif you're so cute... stem cells won't work, because aids affect the whole body, it's in the blood stream...
ranmatatsumaru
QUOTE (ngo.ngochy @ Jul 12 2004, 01:03 AM)
embarassedlaugh.gif you're so cute...

what do you mean by that? confused.gif
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