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osirak
In 1898 the USA acquired the Philippines from Spain. The Americans thought Filipinos were too stupid to govern themselves, so they refused to give them independence. When a Filipino pro-democracy movement tried to achieve sovereignty the US crushed the independence movement and killed 50,000 Filipinos, destroying crops and killing POWs. The colonial history of the Philippines has been described as "400 years in a convent" (under Spain) followed by "50 years in a whorehouse" (under the USA). After the Philippines gained independence, the USA supported the dictator Ferdinand Marcos until 1986. Also, the Muslim terrorist groups in the Philippines such as Abu Sayyaf were created by the USA to fight the Soviets. Today, most Filipinos worship the USA like they're some sort of saviour or something. I encourage all Filipinos to hate the USA and oppose US imperialism.
Forumwalker
yes the filipinos should hate the americans in their hearts but hating them openly would only make the Philippines' no. 1 importer of Filipino products ignore the Philippines as a whole. Visas would be tough, dollar would be hard to find, Filipinos in the USA and other nations would further be discriminated, the already failing RP economy will tumble and democracy will fail. anarchy will prevail.

yes, we should hate the americans.. but only in our hearts. and someday, when they rely too much on Filipinos in taking care of their old and sick, when they rely too much on Filipino engineers in their navy vessels, when they rely too much on Filipino teachers, they'd realise how important Filipinos are a part of their lives. someday, we can proudly tell them that we can live without you, but you can't live without us.

well.. so much for a dream. back to reality. the philippines badly needs the US. embarassedlaugh.gif
dalawapo
what is thisabout abu sayaff is created by the americans.... icon_rolleyes.gif
RockHeart
You guys just only hate them but you guys cant touch any thing on them! So?? Why do you guys have to hate them for nothing??? The USA is a greatest democrat country, he like to support, provide, aid and contribute all thing to the poorest countries and weakness and he helps us to prostrate the rouge dictator regime...You guys Filips should ally to them incase some day, the neighbor invade your country, then he will stop that neighbor... beerchug.gif
Sedges
This is nonsense, the USA hasn't done everything right but I think they are a LOT better than the alternative.

If we are going to hate every country because of it's history then Germany would be hated by virtually all of Europe, it's because of setting these differences aside that Europe has grown again.

I see NO reason to "Hate" the USA. Perhaps dislike, disagree... NOT HATE
flipcombatmedic
i don't think anybody should encourage hate no matter whatever bad it is.

but for me past is the past, no one should be living only with the hurt of the past or nobody will benefit in the future.

i know you dislike the us because of what the palestinian affair, but you don't need to push hatred to people, hatred don't breed anything but hatred. if you think you could recruit us haters, sorry but hatred will do nobody good, i think people should work for the betterment of the future.
_K_A_Z_U_
Do you know the fact that Asia still has a country

people can not speak free opinions ?

In North Korea , If someone try to against to KIM JON IL ,

the one must killed by gorverment.

But American common sense and my common sense are the same.
at democracy . I think all filipino also same.

Ofcause , like Police is holding gun for fighting criminals.
Police is under control of gerverment. and Gerverment is selected by
people.

but speaking suggestion to goverment is not criminal.

Using bomb is criminal.

Attack building by airplane is criminal.

Japan stoped war immidiately the time of Atomic-bomb, if japan
did not stop it after Atomic-bomb ... All Japanese are obus na now.
But Japan and Iraq are different.
Iraq people believe go heaven if die to the war.
Iraq people educated "Kill American so Go heavn"
They Iraq do not give up even no hope to win.
Masakit ulo din,, obus pera din ,, America...

That's Why Japan is following to America ,

I think America is just better than dictatorial countries .

Hoping Philippines, Taiwan, Korea(except Kimjonil) ,Japan ...
We asian democracy people need tie to America
and keeping peace here Asia.

against dictatorism .
= This is my opinion.
Fil-Am
Phillipines does have the strongest relations with America then any other Asian country. Going back all the way to WWII. KAZU, your Japanese right?
_K_A_Z_U_
>>>>> Phillipines does have the strongest relations

==== Not only Philippines. !!

>>>>>> Going back all the way to WWII

==== Diba Never

>>>>>> KAZU, your Japanese right?

==== I love this Philippines because I live here
with my wife mabait .
Forumwalker
we really shouldn't hate people and stereotype even the US. the US is merely friendly to the Philippines because we are of good interest to them. We were their last bastion of defense during WWII. The Philippines served as a buffer zone for Asia and the West on this side of the world. well, Japan does too but Japanese people were never really conquered totally by another nation to mold them into the US's culture.

in PI's case, well, idol natin lahat foreign so no question on who's the greater buffer zone.. ^_^
parok_mah
Hate those americans!!!! Love their dollars!!!! hahaha... embarassedlaugh.gif2
well, thats a fact.. most filipinos search for greener pasture in the US.

btw, we should consider the good things that the americans did for us and not only focus on their faults.. icon_wink.gif we people always remember the bad things that others had done us, we find it hard to remember how generous they were..

smoke weed and spread the words love and peace!!! embarassedlaugh.gif
Johannjs
Let us say it in this sarcastic way:

"a living whore can still enjoy to be sodomized,

but what can a starving or a dead hero do?"

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tropical_beauty
QUOTE (flipcombatmedic @ Jul 12 2004, 04:35 PM)
i don't think anybody should encourage hate no matter whatever bad it is.

but for me past is the past, no one should be living only with the hurt of the past or nobody will benefit in the future.

i know you dislike the us because of what the palestinian affair, but you don't need to push hatred to people, hatred don't breed anything but hatred. if you think you could recruit us haters, sorry but hatred will do nobody good, i think people should work for the betterment of the future.
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exactly..Hate should never be promoted..in any forums,nor a punch line to a stand of comedy show..etc..etc..etc..
my reply to hate only in your heart..well what you hold in you heart will always find a way be let out of the cocoon its hinding from..it will reflect on your character..judgements etc..etc.. when you hate, it's due IGNORANCE..lack of understaning and openess..for some plain, JEALOUSY

REMEMBER"HATE IS IGNORANCE"..learn from it..
stop the hating and start loving peace out!
thumbsdown.gif
let me add another 2 cents..hate the americans..then why the PUTA are we all speaking in english..go figure ey...magandang araw na lang po sa lahat ng manunulat sa thread na ito..make love not war..pasensya na po sa aking minsahe..maraming salamat sa inyong lahat icon_neutral.gif
let me add another thing..don't hate when you lack of understanding..
oh well that's human nature we tend to hate what we can't comrehend

about the history correct me if im wrong..when Americans lend a helping hand
to the Philippines during war..they gave back our land..they didn't own it unlike some other countries..they gave us tanks armors etc..etc..don't only remember the bad shi*'s but also the good sh*t.
ghanie
QUOTE (osirak @ Jul 10 2004, 07:18 PM)
I encourage all Filipinos to hate the USA and oppose US imperialism.
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who the hell in earth had given you the authority to encourage filipinos to hate the americans huh?

remember, don't repay evil for evil, wait for the Lord to handle the matter. cool30.gif

hehe. peace!
ronin
Dude, that’s a long time ago. I read in other Philippine history books and Marine Corps books about what US troops did to Filipinos in the Philippine American, that they killed 200,000 Filipinos, many of them were still boys like 14 to 18 years of age. I read that a common slogan for American troops in the “Pilippine-American War” was “Killing Filipinos was a ni&&er killing business.” But do I hate the USA? Not at all. My grandfather served in WW2 as an army medic as did his brothers served also. One of them died in combat in the Pacific. They’re one of many Filipino Americans here in the US that served since the American Civil War. Some of my uncles served in the Navy and Army in the 1960s through early 1980’s and my younger cousins will be joining the Navy and Marine Corps after high school. So I’m pretty sure my family are proud to be an American as well as their Filipino heritage. They fly the American flag often in front of their houses. This country has given a lot to my family and to my ancestral homeland in WW2 and post WW2. They’ve helped many other countries as well read these two articles about America.
“America the Good Neighbor”
“Why I like Americans”
We’re not like in other regions of the world where hate beget hate begets violence begets petty revenge. We are mostly a Christian and forgiving people. I should not hate modern Anglo-Celtic Americans of what their great great grandfathers did a long time ago. Preach your hate somewhere else or go to http://www.islam.com where they bash the US all the time. Anti-Americanism is the new Anti-Semitism of our time.
Anti-Americanism
One time when I was a kid in high school, I asked my friends who were like 1st and 2nd Generation Mexican American about what they thought what happened in the Mexican-American War in 1846 and if they hate the US for it. They said that was a long time ago and the Anglo-Americans of the time were different. They don’t hate the US at all. They love America also.
dauya
um this must be really old but i wanna say something bout this...


i think it right for filipinos to hate usa i mean usa didnt allow filipinos in the treaty of paris and filipinos are still being burdened by us debt and lately how about the 5 us gis that raped the filipina girl in subic and was taken by the us embassy not giving local authority the chance to punish them and even if we do usa will always cut ties with filipinos of course theres the good things chocolates and cash...
TakTAk-Boy
i don't think we should hate the USA..hating them only blinds us..i think we should just be wary of them...be allert to the fact they have a long history of using the philippines...don't buy everything the US gov says as truth.
RL33
We must not hold grudges that is not our way..but we must be aware of what really happened and never forgot lest history repeat itself (Iraq war = Filipino am war).
dauya
its true we should look into the present but we should also look back in the past i mean white people insult every asians ... here in the philippines they said were too "UNCIVILZED" to govern our own country i mean, hell, what does uncivilzed mean does being civilized mean you have to be white buy american products create colonial mentality and being treated like dogs in the streets even though were recieving money from the ofw how about the doctors here being lured by american poison to work in the "Land of the free and the brave" hell the only reason why its called that and no country reached it is because its divided by sea i mean look closely at books americans say there always doing good saying we should be grateful yes we should be grateful for what they did in world war 2 but they did steal our culture forced us to use us products i mean heck in some history books it says that the americans single handedly defended the philippines from america and whats with the whole spying in other countries when we do that we get blown up but if they do that to us we cant do anything at all i mean one blast in there country they get shock but when its us that get blasted we pay for it
everfree1604
And you guys are reading the words off a guy who thinks Osama Bin Laden is a man like Gandhi?
dauya
evergreen i think he only sasid that because of the pic that osama sits like ghandi
forcespike437
QUOTE (osirak @ Jul 10 2004, 05:18 PM)
In 1898 the USA acquired the Philippines from Spain. The Americans thought Filipinos were too stupid to govern themselves, so they refused to give them independence. When a Filipino pro-democracy movement tried to achieve sovereignty the US crushed the independence movement and killed 50,000 Filipinos, destroying crops and killing POWs. The colonial history of the Philippines has been described as "400 years in a convent" (under Spain) followed by "50 years in a whorehouse" (under the USA). After the Philippines gained independence, the USA supported the dictator Ferdinand Marcos until 1986. Also, the Muslim terrorist groups in the Philippines such as Abu Sayyaf were created by the USA to fight the Soviets. Today, most Filipinos worship the USA like they're some sort of saviour or something. I encourage all Filipinos to hate the USA and oppose US imperialism.
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i dont hate the USA but i do hate people like you who are full of $hit...the Americans could have given up on the philippines and leave it to the japanese, but they didnt...they saved their asses...the USA is the reason the philippines was one of the most industrialized nations in asia during the 1950's and 1960's...they did help ferdinand marcos but some of the funds were used to build infrastractures...i guess an ignorant mofo like you dont know that the philippines became self sufficient in rice when marcos was president...i dont see the connection you're trying to make between the abu sayyaf and the USA...n about hating the USA, why the fu-k would you hate a nation that gives help to you???you're just full of $hit...
EyEsTrAiN
WASP brain washed filipinos thoroughly. C'mon, most industralized country in 50's, 60's and 70's, but looked at the Philippines now. The philippines was nothing more than a satellite and a lapdog during those 3 decades.
forcespike437
y'all can say anything you want but you cant deny the fact that the united states has given the philippines a lot of help...
forcespike437
y'all can say anything you want but you cant deny the fact that the united states has given the philippines a lot of help...
everfree1604
QUOTE (EyEsTrAiN @ Feb 12 2006, 06:08 AM)
WASP brain washed filipinos thoroughly. C'mon, most industralized country in 50's, 60's and 70's, but looked at the Philippines now. The philippines was nothing more than a satellite and a lapdog during those 3 decades.
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And yet during those "decades" the Philippines were "moving forward" more than if it didn't have any U.S. Help.
forcespike437
QUOTE (everfree1604 @ Feb 11 2006, 09:23 PM)
And yet during those "decades" the Philippines were "moving forward" more than if it didn't have any U.S. Help.
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right on!!!
RL33
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 11 2006, 02:14 PM)
y'all can say anything you want but you cant deny the fact that the united states has given the philippines a lot of help...
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Yes they did do some help but as long as it also benefited them in the long run. They were embarassed that another asian country had the audacity to kick them out of thier precious colonies. Phillippines suffered under the japanese and manila was destroyed twice by US then by the retreating japanese. But which country was spent more money on for rebuilding by the americans...yes thier former trading partner Japan. Read some history on the Filipino american war its causes, its effects and the suffering of our people especially the civilians. Its been a hundred years since the Phil/us war and judging from the Iraqi war they are still up to thier old tricks.
everfree1604
So tell me what country doesn't have "interest" when helping out other countries? It's not as if countries would will-fully give something up for nothing unless I'm mistaken. Oh and one more thing, I didn't know there was someone like Saddam Hussein in the Philippines a hundred years ago. Sarcasm.
EyEsTrAiN
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 11 2006, 05:14 PM)
y'all can say anything you want but you cant deny the fact that the united states has given the philippines a lot of help...
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I mean most filipino who work abroad are highly educated, but what can filipinos do for their own country? complain sure.gif

Why are so many Filipinos leaving the Country?
everfree1604
Because there's a better standard of living abroad?
forcespike437
QUOTE (EyEsTrAiN @ Feb 12 2006, 05:06 AM)
I mean most filipino who work abroad are highly educated, but what can filipinos do for their own country? complain  sure.gif

Why are so many Filipinos leaving the Country?

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uuhh they can make more money abroad??dude if u had the choice of earning a measly amount in the philippines and racking up dollars in other countries, which one would you choose??if u say you'd stay in philippines, then ur juz either really patriotic or a liar...and did u know that the OFW remittances is the main reason the philippine economy hasn't collapsed??
RL33
QUOTE (everfree1604 @ Feb 12 2006, 02:16 AM)
So tell me what country doesn't have "interest" when helping out other countries? It's not as if countries would will-fully give something up for nothing unless I'm mistaken. Oh and one more thing, I didn't know there was someone like Saddam Hussein in the Philippines a hundred years ago. Sarcasm.
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Well since they seem to view themselves as the symbol of freedom and the leaders of world why not??? Why not help people just because they needed it?? And thier attempts to sugarcoat thier actions make it even worse.

WTF??? are trying to be funny??? no there wasnt a sadam like person in phillippines at the time and that just makes thier actions even worse. They tried to justify themselves by claiming that they are going to christianize the filipino people when we had been catholic longer than the united states has even existed as a country.
EyEsTrAiN
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 12 2006, 10:25 AM)
uuhh they can make more money abroad??dude if u had the choice of earning a measly amount in the philippines and racking up dollars in other countries, which one would you choose??if u say you'd stay in philippines, then ur juz either really patriotic or a liar...and did u know that the OFW remittances is the main reason the philippine economy hasn't collapsed??
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Japan, Korea, and Germany were devastated during WW2 and now look what they did. The Philippines on the other hand was brought down by (1) man and it can't even get up(where's uncle sam? embarassedlaugh.gif2 ). I can think of two nation that were a lot worse(corruption+poverty) than the philippines. Italy and Spain.

OFW are hard working people indeed, but what can Filipinos do for their country?
forcespike437
QUOTE (EyEsTrAiN @ Feb 12 2006, 03:35 PM)
Japan, Korea, and Germany were devastated during WW2 and now look what they did. The Philippines on the other hand was brought down by (1) man and it can't even get up(where's uncle sam? embarassedlaugh.gif2 ). I can think of two nation that were a lot worse(corruption+poverty) than the philippines. Italy and Spain.

OFW are hard working people indeed, but what can Filipinos do for their country?
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so are you saying that the OFWs are not filipinos??isnt helping the economy the same thing as helping the country??
everfree1604
ForceSpike, it's because he thinks "What can Filipinos do for their country?" can only be answered in patriotic terms like I don't know, hating the Americans? haha.

But I guess, if we hated every single country that "fought" against us then we wouldn't get far much, I mean why don't we hate those countries that are fighting over OUR Spratly (sp?) islands? Why dont we hate the japanese too while were on it for ww2? Oh but guess not, let's JUST hate the Americans biggrin.gif.
The Red Baron
QUOTE (everfree1604 @ Feb 12 2006, 09:36 PM)
ForceSpike, it's because he thinks "What can Filipinos do for their country?" can only be answered in patriotic terms like I don't know, hating the Americans? haha.

But I guess, if we hated every single country that "fought" against us then we wouldn't get far much, I mean why don't we hate those countries that are fighting over OUR Spratly (sp?) islands? Why dont we hate the japanese too while were on it for ww2? Oh but guess not, let's JUST hate the Americans biggrin.gif.
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most filipinos are thinking the other way around...

"What can my country do to me?"
piece of crap... no wonder more people love willie revillame than gloria arroyo... lol
forcespike437
QUOTE (everfree1604 @ Feb 12 2006, 07:36 PM)
ForceSpike, it's because he thinks "What can Filipinos do for their country?" can only be answered in patriotic terms like I don't know, hating the Americans? haha.

But I guess, if we hated every single country that "fought" against us then we wouldn't get far much, I mean why don't we hate those countries that are fighting over OUR Spratly (sp?) islands? Why dont we hate the japanese too while were on it for ww2? Oh but guess not, let's JUST hate the Americans biggrin.gif.
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right on everfree!!!i guess eyestrain loves america so much that he wants it to get all the attention... biggrin.gif
Bohemian
Filipinos SHOULD NOT hate anyone, any country, any nation. Only by co-operating you guys gain!

But, you should hate those, who threaten your culture, values and beliefs. Those who threaten these treats, threaten YOUR lives.
NTV
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 12 2006, 10:25 AM)
uuhh they can make more money abroad??dude if u had the choice of earning a measly amount in the philippines and racking up dollars in other countries, which one would you choose??if u say you'd stay in philippines, then ur juz either really patriotic or a liar...and did u know that the OFW remittances is the main reason the philippine economy hasn't collapsed??
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Is that true that the OFW remittances, from the US alone, accounts for about 1/4 or 1/5 of the country's GNP?
tinman01
QUOTE (RL33 @ Feb 12 2006, 05:21 PM)
Well since they seem to view themselves as the symbol of freedom and the leaders of world why not??? Why not help people just because they needed it?? And thier attempts to sugarcoat thier actions make it even worse.

WTF??? are trying to be funny??? no there wasnt a sadam like person in phillippines at the time and that just makes thier actions even worse. They tried to justify themselves by claiming that they are going to christianize the filipino people when we had been catholic longer than the united states has even existed as a country.
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Shouldn't the focus be on the man who abused his position? If a rich uncle gave your family a gift of millions of dollars and your cousin stole it or didn't share is that the uncles fault? Like any country Americans depend on the leadership to do the RIGHT thing. Often that doesn't happen. But As americans go we like to help others when we can. We very seldom ask for anything in return. The muslims in your country who are radicals are a problem. Its a problem many country's have including the USA. Who is the blame? Blame the guys supplying them with money and weapons today... As far as ancient history of 100 years ago or 200 years what nation today is the same? I have never heard a single american insult the philipines. I have a friend who is married to a wonderful filipino woman. I have met members of her family all lovely people.
dauya
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 11 2006, 05:14 PM)
y'all can say anything you want but you cant deny the fact that the united states has given the philippines a lot of help...
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BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH white people wouldnt even let us use coconut oil they made a stupid conspiracy that coconut was bad for your health and they should use the U.S. products i mean they made a law that theyl;l give the philippines cash as long as we dont use coconut oil and ooh we couldnt survived without us help!? they wouldnt let us go of the debt i mean werre suffering here if youre a fil am youre just clouded by their conspiracies i mean we get raped killed tortured slaughterd and what does the U.S. media say to the fil-am they say america has sent us to bring "relief" to the people.
forcespike437
QUOTE (dauya @ Feb 18 2006, 02:35 AM)
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH white people wouldnt even let us use coconut oil they made a stupid conspiracy that coconut was bad for your health and they should use the U.S. products i mean they made a law that theyl;l give the philippines cash as long as we dont use coconut oil and ooh we couldnt survived without us help!? they wouldnt let us go of the debt i mean werre suffering here if youre a fil am youre just clouded by their conspiracies i mean we get raped killed tortured slaughterd and what does the U.S. media say to the fil-am they say america has sent us to bring "relief" to the people.
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foo you're forgetting the fact that they fu-kin saved our asses during world war II...yea i live here in cali, but that doesn't mean my mind is clouded by the US media...i know philippine history more than you think i do...can you post a link to prove your claims that the united states passed legislations banning the use of coconut oil and that they'll only give the philippines financial help if filipinos don't use coconut oil???
everfree1604
I'm in the Philippines, I see coconut oil being sold at markets, being used in shows, being shown in the public etc. - I just guess, that takes away your arguement eh dauya? haha.
forcespike437
QUOTE (everfree1604 @ Feb 18 2006, 07:07 PM)
I'm in the Philippines, I see coconut oil being sold at markets, being used in shows, being shown in the public etc. - I just guess, that takes away your arguement eh dauya? haha.
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wooohooo!!nice one everfree!!! beerchug.gif
RL33
QUOTE (forcespike437 @ Feb 18 2006, 07:01 PM)
wooohooo!!nice one everfree!!! beerchug.gif
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You should marry him biggthumpup.gif !!!!!!!!!!!! beerchug.gif
forcespike437
QUOTE (RL33 @ Feb 18 2006, 09:58 PM)
You should marry him biggthumpup.gif !!!!!!!!!!!! beerchug.gif
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ok???so what's your point??
everfree1604
He lost the arguement and thats why he posted something that isn't relevant. Oh well, I guess that happens when you "lose it"
RL33
QUOTE (everfree1604 @ Feb 18 2006, 11:16 PM)
He lost the arguement and thats why he posted something that isn't relevant. Oh well, I guess that happens when you "lose it"
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LOL calma ka "dyok" lang no??? We filipinos accept "it" anyway its ok as lpng as u guys love each other biggthumpup.gif .

I lost the argument??? tell me because u never responded to what I said ??? hahaha
TakTAk-Boy
like i said before we shouldn't hate the US but just be wary of them....we are no longer in US military control but the US still controls the philippines economicaly...if you follow the money trail of some the biggest companies in the philippines they will all lead back to the US..many of these US comapanies holds some of the richest land in southern philippines and these same companies are in bed with some of the most powerful politicians in the philippines..most politicians families are actually stock holders in some of these companies.
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