For those information go to this websit: http://www.pauahtun.org/Exile/
or http://www.watermargin.com/vietret/vietret5.html

sorry it will be a bit slow for a 56k...

These are awesome pictures.

Imagine without those crazy wars. cambodia and vietnam would have grown the same or probably even better than a lot of country.

The problem with "what ifs" is that they are rather pointless as no one will ever know.

Any achievements done by South Vietnam were not South Vietnamese achievements but Americans pumping billions into South Vietnam's economy.

This would make South Vietnam depend too much on the U.S and become like a slave country where U.S makes all the rules like Japan,South Korea and the Phillipines.

Take the U.S away and South Vietnam would crumble. Better to have VIETNAMESE accomplishments and building our own economy and city rather than depend on the U.S.

Hell if we depended on the U.S, our economy would go down right now like most countries depedant on the U.S after 9/11.

If the U.S economy goes down, so do theirs. But at least our VIETNAMESE ECONOMY is going up(2nd highest growth in Asia, after China) and may have the most strongest economy by 2020 in South East Asia. And the U.S doesn't control it.

These pictures are horrible :P

I posted the pics in 1960s... Those are better ones..

Vietnamese economy also goes down when Soviet Union broke.

Now Vietnamese economy is just an entire copy of Chinese economy in the 1970..

I agree. Which is why I am glad that China isn't dependent on U.S. economically like Japan, South Korea, and unfortunately Taiwan are.

These are words normally spoken by people whom are in grief, oh I should have done this , done that... there's no reality for them its just "oh I should have that it differently" or Oh I should have picked door 3 instead of door 5, its just plain sad.........

Yup

What thread are those pictures in? Bump it to the top!

To make it simple and clear, currently in this world, you are either with the USA or you are not. You have got to admit, they have the world by their throats, anger them and they will cripple your country, it's sad but it's true.

If Vietnam or more so South Vietnam wanted to be a lapdog BUT live in a pool of luxury it should had offered the USA some of its land as a army/lookout base, akin Japan, Korea, the Phillipines and Thailand.

Vietnam unfortunately followed the "I will stand on my own two feet" and allied with the USSR instead, the country is now well...to put it bluntly, "free" but a piece of $hit.

Exactly Kulong, how is China NOT dependant on the US?

Whether a country is dependent on another is completely relative, there is no absolute

China certainly relies on the U.S. for part of its economy just as the other way around. It's the same for many other countries. However, China isn't a U.S. lapdog like Japan and South Korea.

lol yeah but the USSR is gone now, and we don't answer to anyone except for God.

Yes allying with the U.S has advantages like fast economic growth, but that only helps you in the short term.

Better for Vietnam to be poor at first and then build up slowly, and in the end our country will be prosperous and we don't have to conform to the U.S. While these other countries will be taken advantage by the U.S and have military bases with U.S soldiers raping their school girls for the rest of the existence of the U.S. as a super power.

But at least in the end, even if our country is a piece of $hit, it is still OUR piece of $hit and not some quick scheme by the U.S to pump billions of dollars to conform.

It's like making a deal with the devil. You instantly get what you want, but lose your soul in the process.

While in the case of the U.S, you instantly get rich but you lose your culture and get westernized in the process.

Better to just work hard and get there on your own.

I'll admit that right now it is a piece of $hit but at least it is built by Vietnamese FOR Vietnamese citizens no matter the ethnicity.

We are in the post 9/11 world and now the economies of countries that are dependant on the U.S are going down, while ours will rise and rise built on the efforts of Vietnamese. I love you God.

Well I think we should have a multipolar world. I don't think all the world is all too happy with the US being the sole superpower with the exception of the UK (which is a like a father to the USA..."now son is ruling the world and I support him").

To modernise unfortunately, most countries will have to Westernise themselves. All the technology is pretty much Western based. If you cling onto your old culture too much, you risk the unfortunately consequence of being left behind whilst the world warps ahead of you.

Vietnam should have copied Taiwan. It somehow got US support and cash whilst shutting out US troops. Taiwan is dependant on US tech weapons and for exports...but probably the least bum sucker if you consider Japan, South Korea and others.

China will slowly be able to counter some of the USA influence....however, all superpowers are evil. China is what I would call the 丐幫 leader or "leader of the developing world".

I hope Vietnam doesn't westernize itself. I hope we keep our old traditions and lifestyles.

I hope we never use cars and just rely on bicycles, motorcycles or just walking, and maybe a subway.

fu-k Western buildings, build more office buildings that look like those oriental buildings in the city of Hue.

Seriously if Vietnam made it's cities in the style of the imperial city, it would look very interesting and unique and would attract even more tourism. Business people sipping tea in the tea gardens while negotiating business, would be awesome.

Lets hope as Vietnam becomes more prosperous it does not lose it's ancient traditions.

Vietnam even to this day, has not changed that much in lifestyle and traditions as it did hundreds of years ago minus the 100,000+ whores, which we need to get them off the street.

I agree. I don't think UK cares much because they are essentially the same as US, both speak English and US society is heavily based on UK's.


Unfortunately that's true.


You obviously are not familiar with history of ROC (Taiwan). ROC was never a complete US lapdog like South Korea and Japan. KMT gained support from US when they fought the CCP, but only with training and equipment. After KMT lost the civil war and retreated to Taiwan, US tried to replace Jiang Jin'guo, Jiang Jieshi's son with a U.S. puppet like what US did in South Korea. However US failed. Soon after, US shifted its focus away from ROC over to PRC. Taiwan's economy didn't really take off until around 1970's.


To call the "developing world" 丐幫 is a little bti offensive. But yes China is currently the leader of developing world.

I agree that all superpowers are "evil". The reason for that is, no matter who is the "leader", they will always place themselves first and before everyone who they lead.


Bicycles and subways are also "Western" inventions

woa, we got our own car company?!


I noticed there were a lot more women/girls wearing ao dai then compare to now...

We can't just be unique to claim that we are, that's isolationist thinking and thinking like that only get our country ruined. I was looking at the many minorities living in Vietnam and see that they are a 1000 years behind the modern world. I thought to myself, if Vietnam gets better economically in the future, should they help bring their minorities into the 21st century with modern conveniences? Or should they be left living the way they are, just so we can recognize their uniqueness and go on vacation to their tribes like a western backpacker? Why should we keep a civilization down and leave them where they've been at for 1000 years just for the shake that we can observe them?

Great civilizations learn, adopt, modify and constantly changing themselves to advance. That's same reason why Europe, the smallest continent, with 100s of different countries were able to move so far ahead of us. One guy in the Netherland develop a glassware, Gallileo in Italy can adopt the glass piece and made it into a magnifying len. He doesn't care that it wasn't an Italian invention. But in the East, there are only major coutnries and we all want to have the proud tradition and so isolate ourselves so we can be one with our greatness. Thinking like this will lead us to our deadend.

I concur.

i agreed vietnam should keep growing and become richer but as for the lifestyle just keep it the way it is.