http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l223zQfhC8o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vovinam

The 10 principles of Vovinam Viêt Võ Dao [The Principles vary between other Vovinam martial arts.]

Vovinam's disciples promise to attain higher level of martial art in order to serve the people and humanity.
Promise to be faithful with Vovinam and develop the young generation of Vovinam Viêt Võ Dao
Be unanimous in spirit and heart, respect the elder, love fellow peers.
Respect discipline absolutely, maintain the higher honour of a martial art disciple.
Have respect for other martial art schools, only use martial art skills for self defense and protect justice.
Be studious, strengthen the mind, enrich the thought & behavior.
Live simple, with chaste, loyalty and high mind.
Build up a spirit of steely determination and vigor, overcome powers of violence.
Make intelligent judgments, carry out struggles with perseverance and act with alertness.
Be self-confident, self-controlled, modest and generous.

Its seems to be influence by tae kwon do (not saying its originates from TKD).
I have seen some interesting Vietnamese martial arts though.

Vovinam Viet Vo Dao will be competed in 2009 Asia Indoor Games in Hanoi, Vietnam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpZXolbAX6c...ted&search=

VOVINAM VIETVODAO - DAI TRUYEN HINH VCTV3

vietnamese martial arts is useless against a big black man with a gun

What's tae kwon do? I'm assuming that it is some type of martial arts, right? You must know the origin and the develoment process of every move or the majority of the moves of Vovinam to even make such a boastful claim, lol

Henry:

Viet Nam has a long history of warrior scholar from ancient time to the present.

Please study Viet Nam history before you make that claim.

i think hes trying to say if you somehow use kick in martial art it somehow relate to tae kwon, haha dumb @$$

After watching some viet vo doa videos on you tube I would say that the fighting style is very different then taekwondo. I see no trace of taekwondo influence.

I said it SEEMS. I did not say it is.

And No one DONT have to see every move to determine how an art is influence. just like hapkido is influenced by aikijujitsu or Taw kwon do is influence by shotokan etc. even certain kung fu styles have been influence by Indian kalari pyatt etc.

Even if it was influence does it matter?

Where do I claim that? Dont put words in my mouth. I said "seem".

I've been into martial arts since the 70's.

You can always take up it at bullshido.net

I havnt made any claim. I said "seem"
Also at no time did I state Vietnam didnt have a warrior tradition. Those are your insertions not mine.
I have seen other Vietnamese arts arts that I believe to be more native.

Even Mas Oyama admit he had some influence by Kimura.

Statement of the day. You have not seen every move or the majority of the moves of Vovinam and you made some statement like that. What you were trying to say is that "Vovinam is being influenced by some xxx arts"; you did not say "xxx number of Vovinam's moves are being influenced by some xxx arts".

Now, for the number of Vovinam's moves that "seem" to be influenced by some xx arts like you say; maybe you can give us the history and origin of those moves before you make such a statement that they originally were being developed from some xx arts.

At no time did I state what was the EXTENT of the influence did I?


(Base of the obrservation of several videos I've seen over the last year and half on vovinam. ..and yes there is a vovinam club in my city.)

One does not have to know the history of every tae kwon do move to know its been influence by shotokan karate.
That could be said about in a number of arts. Does one have know every move of Brazilian jujitsu to know that its influence by Japanese jujitsu and kosen judo? Does one have to know that every move of aikido to know its influence by daito ryu aikijujitsu?


Once again take it up on bullshido.net for secondary opinions.

How many years have you been in the martial arts?

Big black man with a gun can go blind if you are close enough, and you do whatever it takes to keep him from killing you. Vietnamese martial arts don't give you magical powers, but you usually better off knowing enough martial arts how to take care of yourself than not. Think of knowledge of martial arts as but one extension of your brain, where your brain is the ultimate weapon and the ultimate decider of your thoughts and actions: sometimes, applying the martial arts is appropriate, sometimes not.

Viet Vo Dao aka Vovinam has been influenced by the martial arts of every enemy we had to fight: Chinese, Mongol, Japanese, Cham, Khmer, Korean, etc. I'd rather be influenced and and win than not be influenced and have the crap being beaten out of me.

Yet, you do not know about the origin and history of the development of those Vovinam's moves and you already make such a claim that they were originially from some xx arts?lol; and thanks for the nice logic of applying the scenario of some arts being influenced by another arts to the same scenario of Vovinam.lol

Thank you blacklight.
It doesnt matter if an art is influence or not influence by other arts. It DOESNT make it invalid as a martial art.
The whole point of martial art is self-defense. Thats why mix martial arts is a good thing.

I've already explained it.
Dont put words in my mouth. Where do I say "orginally" anywhere?

You still havnt answer my questions.

What questions?

The question that I have not answered you is the last question. No, I do not practice martial arts. Why? Does that make you claim more legitimate. I really don't like to repeat myself in every post.

It seems your looking for a fight when there is none.

Henry:

Vovinam Viet Vo Dao was found by Master Nguyen Loc in 1938.

Modern Taekwondo was officially found in 1955.

Please restrain yourself of saying which martial arts influence which one first before you have exhausted your study of history of both arts.

theres also vo binh dinh

repeat post

IMO It does not mean there isnt (or is) tae kwon do influence in vietvodao. (Influence from another art can happen at a later date at anytime.)*

*Please re-read my post where I stated "SEEM influence". I did not say "IT IS influence". Theres a difference.


http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/seem.html

Vovinam-Viet Vo Dao = PRIDE OF VIETNAM

Theres nothing wrong with being proud of a martial art.

Theres lot of good Vietnamese martial arts to be proud of like: That Son Than Quyen, Han Bai, Hong-Gia etc.


(Theres nothing wrong with mixed martial arts either. I know there has been some Filipino martial arts that has incorporated jujitsu and kick boxing into their system. Nothing wrong with adding new stuff and putting a different spin on techniques either.)

Why cannot you say Vovinam seems to influence Taekwondo, instead of the other way around?

This is my only concern for now.

My only hesitation is that the influence of taekwondo has spread quite abit around the world and quite rapidly with General Choi. You find it even in Indonesia, Taiwan etc.

But to be fair I wouldnt totally discount that Vovinam influence taekwondo. Its quite possible.

Thank you, Henry. You sound like a reasonable person.

I am not trying to nit pick you. I hope you understand.

taekwondo is more widespread purely becoz its been more promoted worldwide

Hey not a problem SoCal. I'm always happy to speak to fellow martial artists on the board.

Henry:

You know, Viet Nam has been through a lots. So we try to protect and preserve our national legacy and treasures.

Sometimes, we may seem to be feisty and protect our grounds but if we as Viets do not do that, we will lose our national heritage. This is an urgent matter to many of us Viets.

I don't want us Viets to forget our history, where we come from, etc.

Thank you for your understanding and support on this matter.

tea...coffee ,anyone ? ..

Yes, Sir.

Jimmy, what time is it over at Sydney?

It is 1:00 AM Saturday Morning in the West Coast USA.

Yes I'll take some tea too!

6 pm saturday over here in sydney ...$hit im full

There most likely is a difference between TKD as taught in hand to hand combat and TKD as taught in US martial arts schools. For example, we all know from life experience that you can take someone down to the floor with a single punch to the face that connects. However, to minimize the potential for legal liability (and to not discourage new students from returning), the sparring rule is: no punches to the face. No front snap kicks to the groin either. The result is that many TKD black belts acquire bad habits like the failure to protect their faces adequately (a deadly bad habit if you are facing a boxer or somebody who is ruthless and fast enough to blind you in a fraction of a second) and their habit to kick for points is really counterproductive in the street when you have to kick for speed and effect to survive. There are quite a few stories of black belts in TKD or karate who got themselves wiped out in street fights, so it is really important to keep one's eyes open and keep track of the shortcomings of one's training. Combat TKD is effective, no question about that, but you need to go out of your way to learn it - I can't remember how many times I have been told "no techniques to the back" when I was designing my own counters in one-step sparring. Well, in self-defense, throwing an elbow into someone's kidney's is one of my favorite strikes. And so is stepping on on someone's foot and keeping it nailed while using the point of my shoulder to shove the guy backward - Needless to say, he ends up with a broken ankle.

I have no doubt that VVD is efffective, but I am really worried about what turning it into a sport could do to it. One key aspect of effective martial arts training is mental and physical training - you simply must learn not to panic when facing an obviously more skilled and more competent opponent who is out to do you, you also must condition your body so that your body can be stronger, more flexible and agile. VVD probably does a better job and mental and physical conditioning, because you need this conditioning if you are going to perform effective scissor kicks. In general, a well trained boxer is a very tough opponent not necessarily because of his skills level but because of the mental and physical conditioning that he went through, and because protecting his face is just about the first thing that a boxer learns.

I have nothing against safe sparring - nobody including me likes to have his or her body destroyed, but the katas (or quyens) must reflect the martial aspects of VVD and its traditional accent on effectiveness. For a martial arts school to throw into the street people who are untrained to protect themselves in the most basic ways and who have failed to develop a killer instinct - that's unconscionable.

Vovinam has yet to tested internationally. I haven't heard of any Vovinam MMA champions yet. I do some Viet fighters practicing other martials though. That guy Cung Le will fu-k most people up. He can fight!!! -

Yah Cung Le pratice vovinam, and not to mention greco-roman wrestling, san shou, kickboxing, and a bunch of others in between...Cung Le is an animal!