PRC no match for Japan's military

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials...4/25/2003358172

By Huang Shou-li 黃守禮

Wednesday, Apr 25, 2007, Page 8

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During Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao's (溫家寶) visit to Japan last week, Japanese Minister of Defense Kyuma Fumio criticized China for its rapid increase in military spending and said Japan would respond to any act of military aggression.

Kyuma's attention-getting remark clearly indicated Japan's confidence in its military strength.

During a conversation with Mamoru Sato, a former lieutenant general who commanded the Southwestern Composite Air Division of the Japanese Air Self-Defense Force, I asked him who would win if war were to break out between Japan and China. His answer was resolute: Japan can annihilate China's air force within one day and destroy its navy within two days.

Based on articles by Japanese military experts Inoue Kazuhiko and Matsumura Tsutoma, I would like to compare Japan's military capabilities with China's.

Japan has 203 F-15Js, a refined F-15K equipped with the most advanced air combat system in the world, and 91 refined F-4EJs and 94 F-2s.

In total, Japan has 388 fighter planes, the second largest air force in the world. Meanwhile, China has 150 Su-27, 120 Su-30 and 60 J-10 -- a total of 330 combat planes.

Like US jet fighter pilots, Japanese pilots must serve a total of 230 flying hours annually. In addition, Japanese airmen usually receive training with US colleagues who have had actual combat experience. Chinese jet fighter pilots receive less than 40 hours of training annually, a far cry from the training of Japanese and US pilots.

In terms of fighter jet engines, US-made engines last for 8,000 hours, Russian-made 1,000 hours, Chinese-made 700 hours.

An F-15J can reach a maximum speed of Mach 2.5, has a battle range of 1,780km and carries four 907kg Joint Direct Attack Munitions, while an F-16 can fly at a maximum speed of Mach 2 and has a battle range of 900km -- narrowly outperformed by Sukhoi fighters.

The F-2 was jointly developed by the US and Japan and is constructed from carbon fiber. It is lightweight and has stronger wings and is overall superior in terms of airworthiness.

In addition, the F-2 is equipped with the same all-around detector and highly sophisticated weapons control radar used in the US navy's Aegis-class destroyers.

In terms of airborne early warning and control aircraft, Japan currently has 13 E-2C aircraft and four E-767s, which is the most advanced of its kind. The US navy still uses the E-707.

The Japanese-made type-90 air-to-air guided missile is very advanced and can make a U-turn if it overshoots the enemy aircraft or submarine.

The US Air Force uses the same missile.

But what about Japan's naval capabilities?

Japan has four US-made Aegis-class destroyers, while the US has 73. Only the US and Japan have this type of vessel.

Second, the Japanese Navy has 53 warships, all of which are stealth. It also has 16 submarines, nine guided missile destroyers and 13 aircraft carrier-style transport vessels that can carry helicopters and hovercraft. This makes Japan the second largest naval power, trailing only the US.

Japan has 96 P-3C maritime patrol aircraft and 97 SH60 helicopters. In the Cold War era, these two types of aircraft recorded a lot of submarine voice prints, allowing them to deal with present-day underwater warfare.

China has 20 diesel-powered and 22 nuclear-powered submarines, while Japan has only 16 diesel-powered submarines. However, Hyodo Nisohachi, a Japanese military expert, has pointed out that Chinese submarines make a lot of noise, making it easy to detect their position. Chinese submarines can dive down to 300m and make a rapid emergency dive to 600m, while Japan's and the US' submarines reportedly can dive to 800m and in an emergency dive down to 1,100m.

Last but not least, with the strengthening of the US-Japanese military alliance, I don't believe China would dare attack Taiwan.

I can already predict that this will garner a lot of bashing from the Chinese nationalists. But, then again, it's not like this article should be taken seriously, considering how the writer made some mistakes.

The Japanese F-15J are based on F-15C, whereas the F-15K are based on F-15E.

Also, the F-2 uses AESA RADAR with indigenous software, while their Kongo and Atago tin cans use PESA SPY RADAR with software distributed by Lockheed Martin. They are two completely different types of sensors with different computers.

Type 90 AAM-3 is being currently used by the JASDF and no one else, and should not be confused with the AIM-9X. It's a completely different short-range AAM that slightly resembles the Sidewinder from a distance.

The JMSDF has five Aegis ships, not four. The latest, Atago, set sail this March. I don't know how long it took for the writer to type up this article, but he needs to check more constantly, considering that this article was released not even two days ago.

A waste of time talking about PRC VS Japan when we all know what the outcome would be.

How are a few advance Fighter Jets save Japan from Chinese Nukes ? It will only take China 5 Nukes to sink Japan down to the Pacific Ocean.

Then u should not have posted it at the first place

A waste of time talking about PRC VS Japan when we all know what the outcome would be.

How are a few advance Fighter Jets save Japan from Chinese Nukes ? It will only take China 5 Nukes to sink Japan down to the Pacific Ocean.

A waste of time talking about PRC VS Japan when we all know what the outcome would be.

How are a few advance Fighter Jets save Japan from Chinese Nukes ? It will only take China 5 Nukes to sink Japan down to the Pacific Ocean.

But Japan just got he US patriot missile defence system right ?

I didn't create this thread. Check again before shooting your mouth off, douche.
Ditto on that question; how are a few Chinese jets going to save China from Japanese nukes? It's not going to take a lot of nukes from Japan to throw the Chinese national economic and population level back to that of 1920's or earlier, and Japan clearly has the capability to do so.

I'm just amused with this paranoia among some Chinese members in here that makes them love to talk about nuclear weapons when something that presses against them comes up.

But wasnt this started first by a Japanese military official commenting on other nation's capability

No missile defense system is capable of shooting down re-entry vehicles. The ABMS can handle TBMs like Scuds, which travel at much slower speeds--usually between Mach 1 and 2, but not MRV and MIRV warheads that streak in at Mach 9+.

But wasnt this started first by a Japanese military official commenting on other nation's capability

The author's name is Huang Shou-li 黃守禮. Sounds like a Chinese name to me.

Speed actually has relatively little to do with it. Evasive maneuvers do. If a ballistic missile is moving at Mach 16 instead of Mach 8, it really makes no difference - the tracking procedure is the same, just the numbers to be entered into the math formula equation are different. (Algebra 101 - the formula doesn't change, only the variables - the numbers that you substitute in place of x and y - do.) If a ballistic missile is at Mach 16, then the Patriot missile just intercepts it at a different location of Point X than it would have had the missile been moving at Mach 8.

In the 1991 Gulf War, many of Saddam's Scuds were outdated and had many problems, including fuel contamination, leaks, and missile aging and corrosion. This actually worked to Saddam's advantage, because these Scuds, when fired, would behave erratically - they would swerve without warning because of their internal problems, and this swerving made it difficult for Patriots to intercept. Prior to the Gulf War, the Patriot PAC-2 had been used against test missiles that would fly stable ballistic trajectories, and PAC-2 was perfect in all testing - hitting the target 17 out of 17 tries.

Many SAMs use proximity fuse with blast-fragmentation warheads, which is a problem because the fragmentation resulting from the warhead's detonation is nowhere fast enough to match the speed of the inbound re-entry vehicle. The re-entry vehicles travel at Mach 9+, while the fragments travel at maybe around Mach 4--they just can't catch up.

I didn't create this thread. Check again before shooting your mouth off, douche.
Ditto on that question; how are a few Chinese jets going to save China from Japanese nukes? It's not going to take a lot of nukes from Japan to throw the Chinese national economic and population level back to that of 1920's or earlier, and Japan clearly has the capability to do so.

I'm just amused with this paranoia among some Chinese members in here that makes them love to talk about nuclear weapons when something that presses against them comes up.

But Japan just got he US patriot missile defence system right ?

The so called "Patriot Missile Defence" is nothing but a waste of money. It is even having a hard time intercepting old scuds so how can you expect it to handle ICBMs that travel in such high speed ?

Have you ever read Tom Clancy's The Bear and The Dragon? Your post reminded me of something I seem to remember about warhead fragments that is exactly what he said - that fragments are slower than the re-entry vehicle.

The SM-3 Standard and PAC-3 both use hit-to-kill of direct impact - they have no warheads, they rely on ramming directly into the target, so they don't use the frag-warhead method.

LOL. Even if Japan had Nukes, China would still win the war because of the sheer size of the country. Like I said before, how many Nukes can Japan handle ? A few. But China as a big country in term of land size can handle a few nukes nicely.

No matter what , when there is a war between Japan and China the winner will be China.

LOL. Even if Japan had Nukes, China would still win the war because of the sheer size of the country. Like I said before, how many Nukes can Japan handle ? A few. But China as a big country in term of land size can handle a few nukes nicely.

It's written by Taiwanese.

This report completely ignores China's ultimate weapon:

N U C L E A R

End of discussion. That's why Japan and Taiwan do not even want to talk about the N-word. They just want to talk about their strengths while completely ignore China's.

No offense but there is some truth and validity to this article. Instead of whining and getting butt hurt, China should pay attention and improve her current military situation. Realizing your own weakness is the first step to improving yourself.

Can we have a discussion without nukes?

Plus, Japan's under the US nuclear umbrella, so let's not talk about Beijing nuking Tokyo or vice versa, for now.

this is dumb thread, war wont happen again, and if it did, it would south korea and japan, not china and japan. unlike the koreans, the chinese want taiwan, and the economic ties between japan and china are too great for war, simply put, it doesnt matter who wins because both countries and the rest of asia would be in shambles. and no the chinese will not use nukes because whats stopping other countries from nuking china? some retard said well china is huge and can take a few nukes, say 5 nukes are unleashed on your 5 major cities, theres goes your country since we all know china relies so much on its biggest cities. this is a childish debate resembling more like OMGFORZZ mah black d!ck is bigguh tha yo cracka d!ck.

lol its funny how people take articles from taipei times seriously, anyone will notice authors from taipei times are incredibly bias. Japan is always shown in the positive light, China always the bad guy. What does it tell you

No matter what , when there is a war between Japan and China the winner will be China.

and China doesn't need to set foot in Taiwan. just cutting off diplomatic and economic ties and severing Taiwan's ties to other countries is enough to get the pro-independence types lynched by their neighbors.

China's already at a position where they can sink any one or two nation's economies, or even an entire economic bloc, by simply moving an asston of workers to do their job for less money.

and China doesn't need to set foot in Taiwan. just cutting off diplomatic and economic ties and severing Taiwan's ties to other countries is enough to get the pro-independence types lynched by their neighbors.

China's already at a position where they can sink any one or two nation's economies, or even an entire economic bloc, by simply moving an asston of workers to do their job for less money.

And ur really proud of that ?? Is that even called economic power ?

And ur really proud of that ?? Is that even called economic power ?

What's funny is despite all of this, Japan is probably China's strongest ally.

Anything said about China's military (Which is one of the most secretive in the world) is based on untested assumptions and nobody today is willing to test those assumptions simply because there's too much at risk. There's no doubt in my mind that the US is militarily superior to China today, hell in some ways even Japan's is but are they willing to put China to the test considering what's at risk economically and enviromentally? Militarily speaking, China's main goal is to make herself a huge liability for the rest of the world. Essentially, the economic and environmetal consequences of military confrontation against her would prove drastic if not fatal. In other words, nobody will win in a military confrontation with China. Besides China's primary goal is to become an economic powerhouse, not a military one. Contrary to what many China critics are saying of China's intentions to militarily expand, there's no logical reason for the PRC to do so. It would inevitably derail all the economic progress made in the past few decades. China's recent moves in Sudan, Zimbawe, and Myanmar is living proof that it has no intention to militarily intervene anytime soon. Why take military action when you can easily attain your goals by exploiting corrupt leaders for resources in their own land? It's like the Sun-Tzu said "To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."

Are you kidding me? With so many metrosexual men in the small island, I doubt the japanese can fight a single day not worrying about how pretty they look. LOL

China will TRUMP japan in less than half a day... before you know it, japan will be "the land of rising sons" with China being the parent.

According to the news, US made engine last 8000 hours, Russian made last only 1000, and China made last 700 hours
700 hours.............can I believe it ?