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Xa NgUoI MinH Yeu
cry2.gif here is a website that tell the story back in 1975 when the war ended and the reason why people fled and the horrible storys that the boad refugees people experient bawling.gif

http://archives.cbc.ca/300c.asp?id=1-69-524
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-69-524-2705/l...at_people/clip1
DaiNamViet
Maybe the VC's intentionally wanted the Viet Kieus to disperse, to spread Viets across the world , they could have easily stop the out flow.. shrug.gif
Nero874
I'm sure that's true. As much as I detest the communist government, I have to admit they were especially cunning and insightful.

Although the government didn't intend to let so many of its smartest and most educated citizens flee overseas (the "brain drain"), it did realize that the Viet Kieus, after establishing a successful life in America, France, Austrailia, etc, would pour billions back into VN. So that's why you see the government is reaching out to the VK and promoting forgiveness - so it can stick its hands into our pockets.

Ho Chi Minh stated that once the US withdraws, he will lay out a red carpet for them, as a sign of no ill-will for the defeat because he knew that the US would one day contribute greatly to VN. So in 1975 when helicopters were evacuating US soldiers, anti-aircraft missiles locked on to those helicopters - and their defense system were blaring red due to that targeting - that's the red carpet HCM was talking about. No missiles were fired. HCM's forsight has proven true since now, the US is contributing millions of dollars to AIDS victims, and millions for rescue efforts due to floodings some months ago; and these are only recent humanitarian acts.

Another example is the Tet Offensive - the North realized the Viet Congs (pro-communists of the South; my definition of VC is not inclusive of both North and South - just the South) were getting strong, and could pose a problem to their goal of remaining the sole organization in power when S. VN is taken. So they staged the ambitious Tet Offensive that served to sacrifice the Viet Congs. As you know, the Tet Offensive was a major moral victory for the North since the US were very discouraged from continuing fighting, and started to withdraw troops. It was also successful in nearly wiping out the Viet Congs, that any major battles after that were fought by the North.

The Communist govt was evil, but admittingly incredibly deceptively cunning. Only if they would use that insightfulness towards unselfishly HELPING their people instead of getting fat off the misery of the population.
DaiNamViet
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Ho Chi Minh stated that once the US withdraws, he will lay out a red carpet for them, as a sign of no ill-will for the defeat because he knew that the US would one day contribute greatly to VN



My friend In this evil world, money talks bull$hit walks.... embarassedlaugh.gif
Nero874
So true....many HCM was a capitalist pig at heart?
DaiNamViet
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 11 2004, 06:17 PM)
So true....many HCM was a capitalist pig at heart?

That's exactly what VN is today Communist on the outside, Capitalist on the inside... at least it seems to be working though .. beerchug.gif
Johannjs
See also : (Dossier BBC)
"Clinton in Vietnam" Thursday, 16 November, 2000
Vietnam revisited : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/716609.stm
Colonel Angus
My fiancé and her family were refugees on a small boat. She was only five at the time. It is a rough story that most people in this country including myself could ever comprehend.
Byron
Lots of Thai Pirates who raped and kept them prisoner and raped them again and again and again, and killed refugees and threw them overboard.

U.S and it's allies gave Thailand money to improve it's patrols, but they didn't do it(probably do to past hatred between Vietnamese and Thais.)
Nam Quoc Son Ha
It is estimated that a hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese boat people didn't make it alive due to pirates, bad weather and inadequate/unsuitable vessels they were travelling on.
Byron
DELETE.
Cac Co
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 11 2004, 05:58 PM)
I'm sure that's true. As much as I detest the communist government, I have to admit they were especially cunning and insightful.

Although the government didn't intend to let so many of its smartest and most educated citizens flee overseas (the "brain drain"), it did realize that the Viet Kieus, after establishing a successful life in America, France, Austrailia, etc, would pour billions back into VN. So that's why you see the government is reaching out to the VK and promoting forgiveness - so it can stick its hands into our pockets.

Ho Chi Minh stated that once the US withdraws, he will lay out a red carpet for them, as a sign of no ill-will for the defeat because he knew that the US would one day contribute greatly to VN. So in 1975 when helicopters were evacuating US soldiers, anti-aircraft missiles locked on to those helicopters - and their defense system were blaring red due to that targeting - that's the red carpet HCM was talking about. No missiles were fired. HCM's forsight has proven true since now, the US is contributing millions of dollars to AIDS victims, and millions for rescue efforts due to floodings some months ago; and these are only recent humanitarian acts.

Another example is the Tet Offensive - the North realized the Viet Congs (pro-communists of the South; my definition of VC is not inclusive of both North and South - just the South) were getting strong, and could pose a problem to their goal of remaining the sole organization in power when S. VN is taken. So they staged the ambitious Tet Offensive that served to sacrifice the Viet Congs. As you know, the Tet Offensive was a major moral victory for the North since the US were very discouraged from continuing fighting, and started to withdraw troops. It was also successful in nearly wiping out the Viet Congs, that any major battles after that were fought by the North.

The Communist govt was evil, but admittingly incredibly deceptively cunning. Only if they would use that insightfulness towards unselfishly HELPING their people instead of getting fat off the misery of the population.

About the government of VN? Deceptively cunning, YES. Insightful, NO.

HCM was no prophet, he could not even forsee the well-versed cunningness of his henchmen. He died but his remain is not resting in peace, it still being used as a "front" for whoring, for scarecrow, for ghost stories.

After taking over the South, the "victor" could not even begin to feel the richness of the South, they slamed the door, robbed from the "Tư Sản Mại Bản" (what an awarked name to call people who owned properties and businesses), sent millions of defeated "enemies" into concentration camps called "trại cải tạo" (what a hoax), took bribes from millions of people to allow them passage out to seas as "boat people". Now the "victor" is singing a new song "Let's forget, let's love" trying to coax all those who left the "victor" in disgust and in fear of reprisals some 30 years ago. Insightful!? No, it's just coincidental luck!

Tet 68 was a low blow to get rid of most of the VC (MTGPMN), just as it has happened to VN Quốc Dân Đảng in '44-'45. Deceptively cunning? Yes, very profitable to throw their "friends" into the wolf pack, more shares for them!

They are using the iron hand ruling to control teh people so they can easily siphon off the foreign investments, the contributions, the international aids for their own personal gains. A few "trophies" are touting with lots of fanfare to show "đổi mới", but the economic gap between "nhân dân" and "đảng" is too deep too wide. Someday they will trip on their own cunning tails and fall off into the gap that they had created.
Huynh
the reason the left is because the country was so bad that there is no hope and they rather take there chance out in the sea then die. i should know better my dad was one of they.
Johannjs
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 11 2004, 05:58 PM)
smartest and most educated citizens flee overseas ?

I'm not so sure of this. I was in charge of resettling 120 families of the boat people in a camp in a European country. From all of them, one very ordinary captain of SVN army with wife and new born baby, and one family of well educated Chinese Vietnamese people, and that's all. All the rest were just any hopeless people.

Can you tell about the people who were with you, or of those you know? It seems to me, that most of "the educated" were already abroad before 1975? of course, today, we've got a second and a third generations of VK...

QUOTE (Huynh @ Jul 12 2004, 10:10 PM)
the reason the left is because the country was so bad that there is no hope and they rather take there chance out in the sea then die. i should know better my dad was one of they.


Can you also tell about those who were with your family? Thank you.
Nero874
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 12 2004, 11:42 PM)
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 11 2004, 05:58 PM)
smartest and most educated citizens flee overseas ?

I'm not so sure of this. I was in charge of resettling 120 families of the boat people in a camp in a European country. From all of them, one very ordinary captain of SVN army with wife and new born baby, and one family of well educated Chinese Vietnamese people, and that's all. All the rest were just any hopeless people.

Can you tell about the people who were with you, or of those you know? It seems to me, that most of "the educated" were already abroad before 1975? of course, today, we've got a second and a third generations of VK...

The exodus of the Vietnamese was known as a "brain drain" for Viet Nam because a large percentage of the doctors, engineers, politicians, lawyers, and people in other professional jobs left the country. If we're debating whether or not some of the most educated fled VN, I can tell you that it did happen. If we're just debating dates, then my take on it is that I'm sure there weren't many people who left before '75, so it must have been in '75 or after.
flipcombatmedic
the communist.
Johannjs
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 14 2004, 08:09 PM)
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 12 2004, 11:42 PM)
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 11 2004, 05:58 PM)
smartest and most educated citizens flee overseas ?

I'm not so sure of this. I was in charge of resettling 120 families of the boat people in a camp in a European country. From all of them, one very ordinary captain of SVN army with wife and new born baby, and one family of well educated Chinese Vietnamese people, and that's all. All the rest were just any hopeless people.

Can you tell about the people who were with you, or of those you know? It seems to me, that most of "the educated" were already abroad before 1975? of course, today, we've got a second and a third generations of VK...

The exodus of the Vietnamese was known as a "brain drain" for Viet Nam because a large percentage of the doctors, engineers, politicians, lawyers, and people in other professional jobs left the country. If we're debating whether or not some of the most educated fled VN, I can tell you that it did happen. If we're just debating dates, then my take on it is that I'm sure there weren't many people who left before '75, so it must have been in '75 or after.

My point is that this has nothing to do with the fall of Saigon to the communists.

Most of "the educated", let's say the rich people and those southern military high ranked families, those who can afford it anyway, all sent their family abroad as early as after 1968, Tết Mậu Thân, and they were already not supposed to come back, because the young men would have to enroll in the SVN army...

Before 1976, those Vietnamese were not considered at all refugees. They had a lot of money, were already well established in European capitals where they owned bourgeois houses, and were also rather "successful" with European girls because they were from high ranked officials' families.

The situation of these Vietnamese degraded after 1976 (only as a question of image) after the flood of refugees, and they didn't go out and spend money as they did before. Anyway, they were offered European nationality.
Nam Quoc Son Ha
The Vietnamese diaspora certainly has been beneficial to Vietnam and to the Kinh ethnic economically, politically and socially. Go figure.
Johannjs
Most of those who "fled" the country before 1975 are from majority Kinh. You can find other minority groups only later, with the flood of the so-called boat-people.
paul33
QUOTE
Maybe the VC's intentionally wanted the Viet Kieus to disperse, to spread Viets across the world , they could have easily stop the out flow.. 


It could be a useful means to get rid of some opponents ,if they died by drowning or escaped from the country.
Rei
LOL
IYIiDWeSt_T.S.I3
QUOTE (Rei @ Jul 15 2004, 09:58 AM)
LOL

Watch the one word post.
Next time If i see you do it agian, I'll give you a warning.
Huynh
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 12 2004, 11:42 PM)
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 11 2004, 05:58 PM)
smartest and most educated citizens flee overseas ?

I'm not so sure of this. I was in charge of resettling 120 families of the boat people in a camp in a European country. From all of them, one very ordinary captain of SVN army with wife and new born baby, and one family of well educated Chinese Vietnamese people, and that's all. All the rest were just any hopeless people.

Can you tell about the people who were with you, or of those you know? It seems to me, that most of "the educated" were already abroad before 1975? of course, today, we've got a second and a third generations of VK...

QUOTE (Huynh @ Jul 12 2004, 10:10 PM)
the reason the left is because the country was so bad that there is no hope and they rather take there chance out in the sea then die. i should know better my dad was one of they.


Can you also tell about those who were with your family? Thank you.

well i dont know cause my dad dont talk about it that much but he and his friend sneck on a boat and when the captain find out instead of let they back to vietnam he let they stay and what ever country accept they then they can stay there. But not that many did so when they got to Japan, Japan has said no but like for of his friend try to swim in the country and they all got kill then finally they got to the US and the US said yes so like 8 year later he bring me and my mom to the US. :genius:
chosenone22
my dad was never shy about telling his story to me. his boat engine died about 15 hours into the trip and his boat drifted about 15 days until they reached Hainan. He told me everybody cried. i dont want to get any further because I'm lazy but the main reason why everyone fled Vietnam was to give thier children a better life. That seems to be the answer for 100 out of the 100 people i spoke to.
supernovasp
QUOTE (Johannjs @ Jul 12 2004, 11:42 PM)
QUOTE (Nero874 @ Jul 11 2004, 05:58 PM)
smartest and most educated citizens flee overseas ?

I'm not so sure of this. I was in charge of resettling 120 families of the boat people in a camp in a European country. From all of them, one very ordinary captain of SVN army with wife and new born baby, and one family of well educated Chinese Vietnamese people, and that's all. All the rest were just any hopeless people.

Can you tell about the people who were with you, or of those you know? It seems to me, that most of "the educated" were already abroad before 1975? of course, today, we've got a second and a third generations of VK...

QUOTE (Huynh @ Jul 12 2004, 10:10 PM)
the reason the left is because the country was so bad that there is no hope and they rather take there chance out in the sea then die. i should know better my dad was one of they.


Can you also tell about those who were with your family? Thank you.

Actually the first wave of Vietnamese are the intelligent and highly-educated people, the latter ones are just normal people

Besides, why would highly-educated people want to stay and get "re-educated".
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