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That's common sense. No matter how much the Chinese want it to be theirs, they will never have a legitimate reason for taking it and that will not deter them. I have looked at some of their newpapers and television broadcasts and they do a fairly good job at brainwashing their citizens. They tell them fake history to try to get them to think that Senkaku is rightfully theirs.
By saying this, I am going to get flamed that Japanese lie about their history by people who have no proof of their accusations. Save your breath and finger muscles by doing a little research to look up evidence that japanese have official denied any charges or changed history before you tell me that I am wrong.
By saying this, I am going to get flamed that Japanese lie about their history by people who have no proof of their accusations. Save your breath and finger muscles by doing a little research to look up evidence that japanese have official denied any charges or changed history before you tell me that I am wrong.
QUOTE (ryuji_yamamoto @ Jul 7 2004, 05:59 AM)
The Chinese shouldn't bother taking it from us.It's ours it has always been ourz
Incorrect. It is only hours because the americans allowed japan to have it a few decades ago.
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ Jul 7 2004, 08:26 AM)
That's common sense. No matter how much the Chinese want it to be theirs, they will never have a legitimate reason for taking it and that will not deter them. I have looked at some of their newpapers and television broadcasts and they do a fairly good job at brainwashing their citizens. They tell them fake history to try to get them to think that Senkaku is rightfully theirs.
By saying this, I am going to get flamed that Japanese lie about their history by people who have no proof of their accusations. Save your breath and finger muscles by doing a little research to look up evidence that japanese have official denied any charges or changed history before you tell me that I am wrong.
By saying this, I am going to get flamed that Japanese lie about their history by people who have no proof of their accusations. Save your breath and finger muscles by doing a little research to look up evidence that japanese have official denied any charges or changed history before you tell me that I am wrong.
lmao, anyone with the right mind would know that ONLY JAPAN have been feeding fake history to its citizens.
I don't mean to argue...
Diaoyu was discovered by Chinese in 1403 and was considered as part of its kingdom. It's kinda 400 years long before Japanese invaded those islands.
Diaoyu was discovered by Chinese in 1403 and was considered as part of its kingdom. It's kinda 400 years long before Japanese invaded those islands.
^ Look I don't disagree with you about china being the original owner of that place. However america had control over the island after the greater east asia war. They maintained that control until around the late 70s when they gave japan control over the island. This is why I feel it belongs to us now.
I agreee with Ogumo
Listen, the problem with islands in Japan is very similar to problems in Israel and the Palestinians.
The Japanese are the Palestinians and the Koreans/Chinese are the Israelis. The Jews in Israel did have rightful ownership to Jeruselum a long long time ago, centuries ago. But after the Jews left, the Palestinians made it their home. They lived there for several centuries and now it is their land. When the Jews came back, they began saying that they wanted their land back. That makes no sense whatsoever. The Palestinians have made their rightful claim on that land and their whole lives are there. Now, the Jews have gotten their land back and they are killing off the Palestinians.
The situation between Japan and Korea/China. Japan did not own the land centuries ago. But Japan had rightfully gotten the lands in question, either by conquest or by squatting, and now, that land contains Japanese history. Japanese people have lived their and made their own lives their. It is their home. It is where they return to. Japanese people have made a rightful claim to that land. To come back years later demanding their land back is absurd. You haven't even had this land for decades and even centuries. Why would you want the land back anyway? It is filled with Japanese people. Japanese culture. People are speaking Japanese there and eating Japanese food. I think that it is ridiculous that the Chinese/Koreans are demanding these lands or even claiming that it is theirs. We got them FAIR AND SQUARE. It is ours. Deal with it.
The Japanese are the Palestinians and the Koreans/Chinese are the Israelis. The Jews in Israel did have rightful ownership to Jeruselum a long long time ago, centuries ago. But after the Jews left, the Palestinians made it their home. They lived there for several centuries and now it is their land. When the Jews came back, they began saying that they wanted their land back. That makes no sense whatsoever. The Palestinians have made their rightful claim on that land and their whole lives are there. Now, the Jews have gotten their land back and they are killing off the Palestinians.
The situation between Japan and Korea/China. Japan did not own the land centuries ago. But Japan had rightfully gotten the lands in question, either by conquest or by squatting, and now, that land contains Japanese history. Japanese people have lived their and made their own lives their. It is their home. It is where they return to. Japanese people have made a rightful claim to that land. To come back years later demanding their land back is absurd. You haven't even had this land for decades and even centuries. Why would you want the land back anyway? It is filled with Japanese people. Japanese culture. People are speaking Japanese there and eating Japanese food. I think that it is ridiculous that the Chinese/Koreans are demanding these lands or even claiming that it is theirs. We got them FAIR AND SQUARE. It is ours. Deal with it.
I agree with Shao. Diaoyutai belongs to Japan even if Chinese discovered it first and was part of China until it was lost to Japan.
Instead of trying to get Diaoyutai, why not try to get our lost territory back from Russia or Mongolia?
China isn't the only country or people who have ever lost land. If we want every piece of land to be given back to their "original owner", many countries would be MUCH smaller and many new nations would be created (or rather "recreated"), including China.
Instead of trying to get Diaoyutai, why not try to get our lost territory back from Russia or Mongolia?
China isn't the only country or people who have ever lost land. If we want every piece of land to be given back to their "original owner", many countries would be MUCH smaller and many new nations would be created (or rather "recreated"), including China.
You know what? Why don't we all move back to the Yellow River, the Nile river, Indus and Euphrates, and the Ganges River and go back into our old civilizations! Then we won't have to worry which land used to be whose because we'll all already be in our original lands!
Shao.
I actually like the picture you are using. I like the way discribing Japan to be pretty puppy (if you look us at that way, you should stop complainng to us. Nobody will complain pretty dog)
But there is one question. That tiger is who? It should not be general Chinese. The, Communist Party of China?
I actually like the picture you are using. I like the way discribing Japan to be pretty puppy (if you look us at that way, you should stop complainng to us. Nobody will complain pretty dog)
But there is one question. That tiger is who? It should not be general Chinese. The, Communist Party of China?
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ Jul 7 2004, 08:25 PM)
The situation between Japan and Korea/China. Japan did not own the land centuries ago. But Japan had rightfully gotten the lands in question, either by conquest or by squatting, and now, that land contains Japanese history. Japanese people have lived their and made their own lives their. It is their home. It is where they return to. Japanese people have made a rightful claim to that land. To come back years later demanding their land back is absurd. You haven't even had this land for decades and even centuries. Why would you want the land back anyway? It is filled with Japanese people. Japanese culture. People are speaking Japanese there and eating Japanese food. I think that it is ridiculous that the Chinese/Koreans are demanding these lands or even claiming that it is theirs. We got them FAIR AND SQUARE. It is ours. Deal with it.
What is Koreans have got to do with your japanese/chinese island dispute?
The tiger could possibly be the communist party, or it could represent Chinese in general. The cartoon (political?) could be interpreted in two alternative manners. In the Chinese nationalist perspective, it shows China (probably not the PRC since the tiger has the word King on its forehead) crushing the rats/mice of Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. (Troublesome areas for the CCP to control) All the while the rat/mouse on Taiwan(separatists only of course) is looking anxiously towards the mainland. North and South Korea and Japan are all portrayed as passive observers. (Except for the North menacing the South)
If you are more of a western ant-China bent, the cartoon would bring to mind the image of a belligerant China crushing dissent in its territories while Taiwan is at obvious risk of attack. Japan and South Korea, instead of merely being passive observers are portrayed as willfully naive and or obtuse to the dangers of China and of course North Korea.
Political subtext aside, it is a pretty cute cartoon. The dogs are very cute, and so are the mice.
If you are more of a western ant-China bent, the cartoon would bring to mind the image of a belligerant China crushing dissent in its territories while Taiwan is at obvious risk of attack. Japan and South Korea, instead of merely being passive observers are portrayed as willfully naive and or obtuse to the dangers of China and of course North Korea.
Political subtext aside, it is a pretty cute cartoon. The dogs are very cute, and so are the mice.
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Jul 7 2004, 04:13 PM)
^ Look I don't disagree with you about china being the original owner of that place. However america had control over the island after the greater east asia war. They maintained that control until around the late 70s when they gave japan control over the island. This is why I feel it belongs to us now.
No... I am talking about history. Barkerintokyo said it's fake history, but China discovering diaoyu islands did happened. Old Ming records said so.
QUOTE (Barkerintokyo)
The situation between Japan and Korea/China. Japan did not own the land centuries ago. But Japan had rightfully gotten the lands in question, either by conquest or by squatting, and now, that land contains Japanese history. Japanese people have lived their and made their own lives their. It is their home. It is where they return to. Japanese people have made a rightful claim to that land. To come back years later demanding their land back is absurd. You haven't even had this land for decades and even centuries. Why would you want the land back anyway? It is filled with Japanese people. Japanese culture. People are speaking Japanese there and eating Japanese food. I think that it is ridiculous that the Chinese/Koreans are demanding these lands or even claiming that it is theirs. We got them FAIR AND SQUARE. It is ours. Deal with it.
Those islands are empty. Population: 0
QUOTE (ComradeJing)
The tiger could possibly be the communist party, or it could represent Chinese in general. The cartoon (political?) could be interpreted in two alternative manners. In the Chinese nationalist perspective, it shows China (probably not the PRC since the tiger has the word King on its forehead) crushing the rats/mice of Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. (Troublesome areas for the CCP to control) All the while the rat/mouse on Taiwan(separatists only of course) is looking anxiously towards the mainland. North and South Korea and Japan are all portrayed as passive observers. (Except for the North menacing the South)
If you are more of a western ant-China bent, the cartoon would bring to mind the image of a belligerant China crushing dissent in its territories while Taiwan is at obvious risk of attack. Japan and South Korea, instead of merely being passive observers are portrayed as willfully naive and or obtuse to the dangers of China and of course North Korea.
Political subtext aside, it is a pretty cute cartoon. The dogs are very cute, and so are the mice.
If you are more of a western ant-China bent, the cartoon would bring to mind the image of a belligerant China crushing dissent in its territories while Taiwan is at obvious risk of attack. Japan and South Korea, instead of merely being passive observers are portrayed as willfully naive and or obtuse to the dangers of China and of course North Korea.
Political subtext aside, it is a pretty cute cartoon. The dogs are very cute, and so are the mice.
Hehe good interpretation. In my own interpretation, SK and Japan are portrayed as one of American's dogs. NK is just portrayed as stray dog for eeer... you know.
QUOTE (ryuji_yamamoto @ Jul 7 2004, 05:59 AM)
The Chinese shouldn't bother taking it from us.It's ours it has always been ourz
I say let the North Koreans use it as a nuke testing ground.
^ That was really uncalled for korean....
i really don't care, the nippon men can have the island, we Chinese have to worry about re-claiming another much more important island
yeah, let it go. you dont need small island like senkaku.
Someday in near future, we as young generation will bring our effort to create better situation for Japan by connecting to other countries. Then, we will say good bye to US and become at least "wolf" (oops, wolf sounds too lonely)
Someday in near future, we as young generation will bring our effort to create better situation for Japan by connecting to other countries. Then, we will say good bye to US and become at least "wolf" (oops, wolf sounds too lonely)
Looks like China is back in its old way and on a land-grabbing spree again. 
I am not talking just about senkakushotou. That is why I talk about Koreans and that is why I talk about Russians. That is why I bring up inhabitants of disputed lands.
Japan is not making outrageous claims. The government is just doing whatever it can in its power to protect its citizens. What it is trying to do is not a crime. It is the Chinese who are committing crimes by invading our land. It is not a crime for us, who rightfully own the land, who have legal documents proving our claim to our possession, to force the Chinese invaders to leave. I don't see this as anything wrong and neither do the people of all nations. It is only China who is making a fuss over senkaku. Only Korea making a fuss about Takeshima. Only Russia who used to make a fuss about kuril islands (but is currently beginning to change their minds about them).
Japan is not making outrageous claims. The government is just doing whatever it can in its power to protect its citizens. What it is trying to do is not a crime. It is the Chinese who are committing crimes by invading our land. It is not a crime for us, who rightfully own the land, who have legal documents proving our claim to our possession, to force the Chinese invaders to leave. I don't see this as anything wrong and neither do the people of all nations. It is only China who is making a fuss over senkaku. Only Korea making a fuss about Takeshima. Only Russia who used to make a fuss about kuril islands (but is currently beginning to change their minds about them).
can u show a map of these places? 
its very interesting.
its very interesting.
Disputes with RUSSIA:
Former Soviet Union and now Russia owns all these islands. Some of these islands still retained their Japanese name. Many of these islands are still inhabited by Japanese speakers who practice Japanese customs. The closest islands are so close to Japan that you can see them with your naked eyes from japanese land.
This is the oldest map in the world of this region (Sakhalin or Karafuto) (written in Japanese):
My grandfather was born on Karafuto but now he cannot return to his birthland.
"The Kuril Islands (Russian: Кури́льские острова́), also known as Kurile Islands, stretch northeast from Hokkaido, Japan, to Kamchatka, separating the Sea of Okhotsk from the North Pacific Ocean. They are part of Russia's Sakhalin Oblast.
The islands are known in Japanese as the 千島 - Chishima (the thousand islands) or クリル列島 - Kuriru rettō (Kuril Archipelago). The name originates from the autonym of the aboriginal Ainu: "kur", meaning man.
The Kuril Islands were inhabited by the Ainu from time immemorial until they were expelled from the northernmost by the Russians in the 18th century. Japan inherited them in 1875 (Treaty of Saint Petersburg) in exchange for ceding Sakhalin to Russia. Russia reclaimed them after the WWII (Treaty of San Francisco), but Japan maintains a claim to the four southernmost islands, called Northern Territories in Japan (see Kuril Island conflict).
The islands are renowned for their fogginess but are rich in seaweed and marine life, such as fish and otters. The northernmost, Atlasov Island (Oyakoba to the Japanese), is an almost perfect volcanic cone rising sheer out of the sea and has led to many Japanese eulogies in haiku, wood-block prints, etc., extolling its beauty, much as they do the more well-known Fuji." source
Disputes with CHINA
"Accordingly, the Senkaku Islands are not included in the territory which Japan renounced under Article II of the San Francisco Peace Treaty. The Senkaku Islands have been placed under the administration of the United States of America as part of the Nansei Shoto Islands, in accordance with Article III of the said treaty, and are included in the area, the administrative rights over which were reverted to Japan in accordance with the Agreement Between Japan and the United States of America Concerning the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands signed on 17 June 1971. The facts outlined herein clearly indicate the status of the Senkaku Islands being part of the territory of Japan." source
Disputes with KOREA
"In 1904, a resident of the Oki Islands, Yozaburo Nakai, requested the government to incorporate Takeshima as a territory and lease it out for the purpose of sea lion hunting. In response to this, the government officially named the islands Takeshima during a cabinet meeting on January 28th 1905, and designated it the property of the Oki Islands in Shimane Prefecture. Based on this, the Governor of Shimane Prefecture announced the details in the 40th Shimane Prefectural Report on February 22nd of the same year.
The islands were also entered in the State Land Register for Oki-no-kuni, District 4 in the same year. All requirements under international law, including the approval of sea lion hunting in accordance with fisheries supervision rules, the construction of a large temporary signpost for passing ships, inspection by the Governor, and site surveys by officials from Shimane Prefecture, Division 3, were carried out to full satisfaction.
In addition, the fishing dwellings and other buildings put up by Yozaburo Nakai and related parties were used throughout the years, and under effective Japanese control until the end of World War II.
In accordance with international law, Takeshima clearly belongs to Japan." source
"Upon Japan's defeat and occupation by the Allies, SCAP Instruction #677 of January 29, 1946 excluded the islands from Japan's administrative authority. However, the instruction specifically stated that it was not an 'ultimate determination' of the islands' fate, and all other islands listed in the document were eventually returned to Japan. The 1952 Treaty of San Francisco, which settled the sovereignty of most other disputed islands, did not mention the islands.
On April 20, 1953, South Korean volunteer coast guards set up camp on the island. On June 27, 1953, two Japanese coast guard vessels landed on the East Islet, drove off the Korean guards and set up a territorial marker, but did not attempt permanent occupation. The Koreans soon returned and several armed skirmishes followed, leading to the sinking of a Japanese ship by Korean mortar fire on April 21, 1954. Japan protested and suggested arbitration at the International Court of Justice, but the offer was rejected by South Korea. After the incident, South Korea built a lighthouse and helicopter landing pad on the islet, which it has occupied ever since." source
Former Soviet Union and now Russia owns all these islands. Some of these islands still retained their Japanese name. Many of these islands are still inhabited by Japanese speakers who practice Japanese customs. The closest islands are so close to Japan that you can see them with your naked eyes from japanese land.
This is the oldest map in the world of this region (Sakhalin or Karafuto) (written in Japanese):
My grandfather was born on Karafuto but now he cannot return to his birthland.
"The Kuril Islands (Russian: Кури́льские острова́), also known as Kurile Islands, stretch northeast from Hokkaido, Japan, to Kamchatka, separating the Sea of Okhotsk from the North Pacific Ocean. They are part of Russia's Sakhalin Oblast.
The islands are known in Japanese as the 千島 - Chishima (the thousand islands) or クリル列島 - Kuriru rettō (Kuril Archipelago). The name originates from the autonym of the aboriginal Ainu: "kur", meaning man.
The Kuril Islands were inhabited by the Ainu from time immemorial until they were expelled from the northernmost by the Russians in the 18th century. Japan inherited them in 1875 (Treaty of Saint Petersburg) in exchange for ceding Sakhalin to Russia. Russia reclaimed them after the WWII (Treaty of San Francisco), but Japan maintains a claim to the four southernmost islands, called Northern Territories in Japan (see Kuril Island conflict).
The islands are renowned for their fogginess but are rich in seaweed and marine life, such as fish and otters. The northernmost, Atlasov Island (Oyakoba to the Japanese), is an almost perfect volcanic cone rising sheer out of the sea and has led to many Japanese eulogies in haiku, wood-block prints, etc., extolling its beauty, much as they do the more well-known Fuji." source
Disputes with CHINA
"Accordingly, the Senkaku Islands are not included in the territory which Japan renounced under Article II of the San Francisco Peace Treaty. The Senkaku Islands have been placed under the administration of the United States of America as part of the Nansei Shoto Islands, in accordance with Article III of the said treaty, and are included in the area, the administrative rights over which were reverted to Japan in accordance with the Agreement Between Japan and the United States of America Concerning the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands signed on 17 June 1971. The facts outlined herein clearly indicate the status of the Senkaku Islands being part of the territory of Japan." source
Disputes with KOREA
"In 1904, a resident of the Oki Islands, Yozaburo Nakai, requested the government to incorporate Takeshima as a territory and lease it out for the purpose of sea lion hunting. In response to this, the government officially named the islands Takeshima during a cabinet meeting on January 28th 1905, and designated it the property of the Oki Islands in Shimane Prefecture. Based on this, the Governor of Shimane Prefecture announced the details in the 40th Shimane Prefectural Report on February 22nd of the same year.
The islands were also entered in the State Land Register for Oki-no-kuni, District 4 in the same year. All requirements under international law, including the approval of sea lion hunting in accordance with fisheries supervision rules, the construction of a large temporary signpost for passing ships, inspection by the Governor, and site surveys by officials from Shimane Prefecture, Division 3, were carried out to full satisfaction.
In addition, the fishing dwellings and other buildings put up by Yozaburo Nakai and related parties were used throughout the years, and under effective Japanese control until the end of World War II.
In accordance with international law, Takeshima clearly belongs to Japan." source
"Upon Japan's defeat and occupation by the Allies, SCAP Instruction #677 of January 29, 1946 excluded the islands from Japan's administrative authority. However, the instruction specifically stated that it was not an 'ultimate determination' of the islands' fate, and all other islands listed in the document were eventually returned to Japan. The 1952 Treaty of San Francisco, which settled the sovereignty of most other disputed islands, did not mention the islands.
On April 20, 1953, South Korean volunteer coast guards set up camp on the island. On June 27, 1953, two Japanese coast guard vessels landed on the East Islet, drove off the Korean guards and set up a territorial marker, but did not attempt permanent occupation. The Koreans soon returned and several armed skirmishes followed, leading to the sinking of a Japanese ship by Korean mortar fire on April 21, 1954. Japan protested and suggested arbitration at the International Court of Justice, but the offer was rejected by South Korea. After the incident, South Korea built a lighthouse and helicopter landing pad on the islet, which it has occupied ever since." source
Just for the hell of it...
Dokdo/Takemshima is ours
Dokdo/Takemshima is ours
Senkaku_Jedai!
It belongs to china
"It belongs to china" -IORI 2k4
Nice argument, nice supporting evidence, and nice job convincing me. Perhaps you should read some of the posts before you respond to them.
Nice argument, nice supporting evidence, and nice job convincing me. Perhaps you should read some of the posts before you respond to them.
QUOTE (Made in China @ Jul 9 2004, 09:25 PM)
Senkaku_Jedai!
Sengoku jidai...
oooh, NOW you tell me 
I sound like a idiot now. I said it like 50,000 times to you. 
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/diaohist.html
I sound like a idiot now. I said it like 50,000 times to you. QUOTE
As the victor in the 1894-95 war with Ching (China), Japan seized Senkaku (Diaoyutai) islands along with Taiwan and the Penghu Islands and incorporated them into Okinawa Prefecture as Japanese territory. The Cairo Declaration jointly issued by China, the United States and British during World War II stipulates the return to China by Japan of all the territory she had stolen from China during and after the Japan-Ching war, including Taiwan and Manchuria.
http://www.skycitygallery.com/japan/diaohist.html
I don't see why this is still a debated issue.
Do you realize that many many countries that exist now, many lands and territories, all the lines that are on a political map now, they were probably different years ago. It does not matter that they belonged to someone else years ago, it matters who it legally and rightfully belongs to now. Fighting a war and taking over a land gives the victors a rightful and lawful claim to that land. Taking over a land is a RIGHTFUL way to obtain new lands. That is what has been done over years, decades, and centuries. This is not practiced anymore and is considered wrong but it was right up until recently. When Japan defeated China, it lawfully obtained these islands. It doesn't matter whether they were China before or not, Japan now has the paperwork that proves that the land is ours!
If countries all over the world started demanding their lost territory back, it would be chaos. Do you realize that? In fact, I still think it is strange that we Japanese had to give up our land in Korea. We rightfully owned it. We defeated the Chinese in war and made Korea ours. Koreans just made us invest all our money in our new province and then after they took our money, they shut us out using the Americans. If China is allowed to ask for Senkaku Shotou back, then we can ask for Korea back.
Do you realize that many many countries that exist now, many lands and territories, all the lines that are on a political map now, they were probably different years ago. It does not matter that they belonged to someone else years ago, it matters who it legally and rightfully belongs to now. Fighting a war and taking over a land gives the victors a rightful and lawful claim to that land. Taking over a land is a RIGHTFUL way to obtain new lands. That is what has been done over years, decades, and centuries. This is not practiced anymore and is considered wrong but it was right up until recently. When Japan defeated China, it lawfully obtained these islands. It doesn't matter whether they were China before or not, Japan now has the paperwork that proves that the land is ours!
If countries all over the world started demanding their lost territory back, it would be chaos. Do you realize that? In fact, I still think it is strange that we Japanese had to give up our land in Korea. We rightfully owned it. We defeated the Chinese in war and made Korea ours. Koreans just made us invest all our money in our new province and then after they took our money, they shut us out using the Americans. If China is allowed to ask for Senkaku Shotou back, then we can ask for Korea back.
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ Jul 11 2004, 02:50 AM)
I still think it is strange that we Japanese had to give up our land in Korea. We rightfully owned it. We defeated the Chinese in war and made Korea ours. Koreans just made us invest all our money in our new province and then after they took our money, they shut us out using the Americans. If China is allowed to ask for Senkaku Shotou back, then we can ask for Korea back.
Koreans didn't "make" or ask Japan to invest jacksquat. This claim of 'benevolent colonialism' is full of hooey, and I personally find it disgusting.
While you have a point with the argument against modern countries claiming lost territories, don't think for a moment that colonialism can be excused away.
QUOTE (DaMo @ Jul 11 2004, 01:29 PM)
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ Jul 11 2004, 02:50 AM)
I still think it is strange that we Japanese had to give up our land in Korea. We rightfully owned it. We defeated the Chinese in war and made Korea ours. Koreans just made us invest all our money in our new province and then after they took our money, they shut us out using the Americans. If China is allowed to ask for Senkaku Shotou back, then we can ask for Korea back.
Koreans didn't "make" or ask Japan to invest jacksquat. This claim of 'benevolent colonialism' is full of hooey, and I personally find it disgusting.
While you have a point with the argument against modern countries claiming lost territories, don't think for a moment that colonialism can be excused away.
barkerintokyo: OWNED you're making a fool out of yourself by the minute!
The islands belong to China.
They were occupied by US after WW2 and Given to Japan in 1972 to impede good relations between China and Japan.
I hope this can be solved peacefully maybe co-own the island or something, but China isn't going to give up this claim its too sensitive.(If it were occupied by anyone else maybe, but sadly it had to be Japan.)
And if BarkerInTokyo is readng this please DONT reply your arguments truly SUX.
They were occupied by US after WW2 and Given to Japan in 1972 to impede good relations between China and Japan.
I hope this can be solved peacefully maybe co-own the island or something, but China isn't going to give up this claim its too sensitive.(If it were occupied by anyone else maybe, but sadly it had to be Japan.)
And if BarkerInTokyo is readng this please DONT reply your arguments truly SUX.
I don't see how I was "owned" by anyone. In fact, these people are just further proving my points.
Colonization, regardless of whether it is "correct" or not is a legitimate practice. America still keeps its lands that it has forcefully obtained. In fact many European countries still have all the land that they have obtained in wars. Stands a reason that Japan should be allowed the same rights as Westerners. In fact by not allowing Japanese to keep its lands is being racist. It is obvious the western world just does not want "yellows" to indulge in the same priviledges they have.
MING-LOYALIST, you just proved my point. We legitimately own those islands. We have the paperwork. Post war diplomacy has decided that Japan is to keep those islands. Now China, regardless of how many years ago it used to be yours, it's not anymore.
Colonization, regardless of whether it is "correct" or not is a legitimate practice. America still keeps its lands that it has forcefully obtained. In fact many European countries still have all the land that they have obtained in wars. Stands a reason that Japan should be allowed the same rights as Westerners. In fact by not allowing Japanese to keep its lands is being racist. It is obvious the western world just does not want "yellows" to indulge in the same priviledges they have.
MING-LOYALIST, you just proved my point. We legitimately own those islands. We have the paperwork. Post war diplomacy has decided that Japan is to keep those islands. Now China, regardless of how many years ago it used to be yours, it's not anymore.
You were proven wrong therefore, you ahve been OWNED
Barker has been,
x3!
x3!
I hope this can be solved peacefully maybe co-own the island or something, but China isn't going to give up this claim its too sensitive
The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken.
The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken.
Ogumo
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Jul 14 2004, 12:26 AM)
Ogumo
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
Wouldn't it be fun if stray American ICBM equipped with nukes raining down on China?
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Jul 14 2004, 12:26 AM)
Ogumo
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
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Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
Oh no by no means do I EVER think of the chinese as weak my friend. Infact it is just that very reason why I don't want japan to lose the senkaku.
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If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
We will see. Personally japan's survival is more important to me than peace.
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It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(
You would love that wouldn't you? You are very evil chinese man. I would add in quite crazy as well. Infact this is also one of the reasons why we cannot allow china any closer to our islands. We can't have you using them militarily against us now can we? One of the many reasons super carriers and WMD are needed for the japan. I say destroy the islands and bury bombs all over there and make them unlivable/hazardous if we are forced to return them. We cant risk china breathing any closer down our necks. Either we keep them or no one gets them.
Good day chinaman.
The Chinese will do anything to try to expand. Their policies can only explained by one adjective: evil. Their leaders are old and senile and they have been corrupted by old ideals that are quite obviously outdated.
China needs to understand that we legally own those islands. The fact that China wants to take them back is an ILLEGAL action.
China needs to understand that we legally own those islands. The fact that China wants to take them back is an ILLEGAL action.
QUOTE (barkerintokyo @ Jul 14 2004, 01:26 AM)
The Chinese will do anything to try to expand. Their policies can only explained by one adjective: evil. Their leaders are old and senile and they have been corrupted by old ideals that are quite obviously outdated.
China needs to understand that we legally own those islands. The fact that China wants to take them back is an ILLEGAL action.
China needs to understand that we legally own those islands. The fact that China wants to take them back is an ILLEGAL action.
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The Chinese will do anything to try to expand.
Do you think this matters to me? Let them do what they please that is none of my concern how they run their country. They can conquer asia for all I give a damn. It only becomes my concern when they expand into japanese territory. Then we have a problem.
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Their policies can only explained by one adjective: evil.
Haha. It depends on what you think of as "evil". I don't consider china evil as of yet.
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Their leaders are old and senile and they have been corrupted by old ideals that are quite obviously outdated.
...and the japanese leaders are old and senile and their japanese spirits have been corrupted by the americans.
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China needs to understand that we legally own those islands.
Indeed.
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The fact that China wants to take them back is an ILLEGAL action.
Haha what are you a police officer? Japan simply needs to defend it what belongs to us. The UN is garbage and should not handle japanese buisness. Simply station battle ships and submarines on the coast of the senkaku. Blast anything that is not japanese.
WHO CARES!!!!!!
^ China apparently.
QUOTE (Ogumo @ Jul 14 2004, 01:37 AM)
^ China apparently.
and it's ridiculous.
Ogumo
I guess you are one of those paranoid people abundant in Japan.
When china is trying to Retake land rightfuly theirs its percieved by you as China attempting to destroy the japanese race or something.
You would destroy those islands which are important to the Chinese rather then give it up or co-own it.
You say we are evil but can you find anything that china has done to Japan that is Evil in you history.
Lets see.
Japan learns some culture and writing and other stuff from China in ancient times.
Japanese pirates ravage China's coast in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades Korea in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades China and Korea in WW2.
Japan attacks USA and all of Asia in WW2.
Japan continue to honor war criminals to this day.
I wonder what makes you Yamato people so diffrent from rest of Asia.
I bet you could not even name a single event that China has harmed Japan in any way ever.
I guess you are one of those paranoid people abundant in Japan.
When china is trying to Retake land rightfuly theirs its percieved by you as China attempting to destroy the japanese race or something.
You would destroy those islands which are important to the Chinese rather then give it up or co-own it.
You say we are evil but can you find anything that china has done to Japan that is Evil in you history.
Lets see.
Japan learns some culture and writing and other stuff from China in ancient times.
Japanese pirates ravage China's coast in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades Korea in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades China and Korea in WW2.
Japan attacks USA and all of Asia in WW2.
Japan continue to honor war criminals to this day.
I wonder what makes you Yamato people so diffrent from rest of Asia.
I bet you could not even name a single event that China has harmed Japan in any way ever.
MING-LOYALIST:
Truth is, people arround world (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, USA) feel that China will become too big and start harming us. That is our fear.
People are threaten by your existance. It does not matter if you have done anything in the history. It can be WHOLE WRONG about what we feel about. But you cannot just change your feeling by hearing that chinese people saying "we are innocent". (if that kind of reasonning is behind Japan bashing by China, I feel somehow RESPECTED)
From what I see from China Town arround the glove, Chinese has DNA to expand their territory over others.
If you look at New york China Town for example, whole area is garbage. I sometimes feel "excited" about how dynamic Chinese people move arround the world. But in other sense, they never mind whatever they do at other people's property. If that involved my home, I am not happy about it.
Truth is, people arround world (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, USA) feel that China will become too big and start harming us. That is our fear.
People are threaten by your existance. It does not matter if you have done anything in the history. It can be WHOLE WRONG about what we feel about. But you cannot just change your feeling by hearing that chinese people saying "we are innocent". (if that kind of reasonning is behind Japan bashing by China, I feel somehow RESPECTED)
From what I see from China Town arround the glove, Chinese has DNA to expand their territory over others.
If you look at New york China Town for example, whole area is garbage. I sometimes feel "excited" about how dynamic Chinese people move arround the world. But in other sense, they never mind whatever they do at other people's property. If that involved my home, I am not happy about it.
China has, and is currently threatening the safety of many countries that it surrounds.
First thing that pops into mind that will really shut you up. THE FIRST NANKING INCIDENT. From what I've seen in this forum, no one has even heard of the First nanking incident. Foreigners were slaughtered by the Chinese in the capital a couple years before the Nanking incident. The worst casualties were felt by the Japanese because the Japanese generals were given orders not to retaliate. The soldiers and civilians stood there while they were killed.
The Chinese have invaded our land a countless number of times. Because of their illegal fishing vessels and transport vessels, Japanese ecosystem is in shambles and the streets of tokyo are rampant with Chinese illegal immigrants and criminals. More Chinese people are committing violent crimes than Japanese people. This makes no sense whatsoever! How can such a small minority less than 1% of the population of Japan be committing more violent crimes than the rest of the 99% of Japan?
China has been taking our money for years like a yakuza. ODA is development aid. They are using our ODA money to buy weapons from Russia and fund their space program. That is obsurd. Give us our money back.
Chinese are continually spewing propaganda to its citizens that Japanese people are inherently evil. Their textbooks distort history. The Chinese as a result have an incredibly large hatred towards us.
These are all coming just from the top of my head. In fact, if i open up any resource, a textbook, internet site, an encyclopedia, I can find millions of times where Chinese have shown that they will expand and be brutal to the people there.
First thing that pops into mind that will really shut you up. THE FIRST NANKING INCIDENT. From what I've seen in this forum, no one has even heard of the First nanking incident. Foreigners were slaughtered by the Chinese in the capital a couple years before the Nanking incident. The worst casualties were felt by the Japanese because the Japanese generals were given orders not to retaliate. The soldiers and civilians stood there while they were killed.
The Chinese have invaded our land a countless number of times. Because of their illegal fishing vessels and transport vessels, Japanese ecosystem is in shambles and the streets of tokyo are rampant with Chinese illegal immigrants and criminals. More Chinese people are committing violent crimes than Japanese people. This makes no sense whatsoever! How can such a small minority less than 1% of the population of Japan be committing more violent crimes than the rest of the 99% of Japan?
China has been taking our money for years like a yakuza. ODA is development aid. They are using our ODA money to buy weapons from Russia and fund their space program. That is obsurd. Give us our money back.
Chinese are continually spewing propaganda to its citizens that Japanese people are inherently evil. Their textbooks distort history. The Chinese as a result have an incredibly large hatred towards us.
These are all coming just from the top of my head. In fact, if i open up any resource, a textbook, internet site, an encyclopedia, I can find millions of times where Chinese have shown that they will expand and be brutal to the people there.
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Jul 14 2004, 01:50 AM)
Ogumo
I guess you are one of those paranoid people abundant in Japan.
When china is trying to Retake land rightfuly theirs its percieved by you as China attempting to destroy the japanese race or something.
You would destroy those islands which are important to the Chinese rather then give it up or co-own it.
You say we are evil but can you find anything that china has done to Japan that is Evil in you history.
Lets see.
Japan learns some culture and writing and other stuff from China in ancient times.
Japanese pirates ravage China's coast in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades Korea in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades China and Korea in WW2.
Japan attacks USA and all of Asia in WW2.
Japan continue to honor war criminals to this day.
I wonder what makes you Yamato people so diffrent from rest of Asia.
I bet you could not even name a single event that China has harmed Japan in any way ever.
I guess you are one of those paranoid people abundant in Japan.
When china is trying to Retake land rightfuly theirs its percieved by you as China attempting to destroy the japanese race or something.
You would destroy those islands which are important to the Chinese rather then give it up or co-own it.
You say we are evil but can you find anything that china has done to Japan that is Evil in you history.
Lets see.
Japan learns some culture and writing and other stuff from China in ancient times.
Japanese pirates ravage China's coast in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades Korea in Ming dynasty.
Japan invades China and Korea in WW2.
Japan attacks USA and all of Asia in WW2.
Japan continue to honor war criminals to this day.
I wonder what makes you Yamato people so diffrent from rest of Asia.
I bet you could not even name a single event that China has harmed Japan in any way ever.
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I guess you are one of those paranoid people abundant in Japan.
Hardly. I simply want to avoid the cycle of big fish harassing little fish.
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When china is trying to Retake land rightfuly theirs its percieved by you as China attempting to destroy the
It doesn't belong to china anymore so you may as well drop it. Take it up with the americans.
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You would destroy those islands which are important to the Chinese rather then give it up or co-own it.
I wouldn't hesitate as I said we that would bring china to close to japan. That is unacceptable. Co owning is also out of the question. Why should japan share it's territory with the chinese? Crazy talk. By the way these lands are not "important" at all.
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You say we are evil but can you find anything that china has done to Japan that is Evil in you history.
Oh no no. Do not try to twist my words. I called YOU evil for your little "revenge" comment. I consider all chinese that thirst for revenge against the modern japanese to be evil and slightly out of their minds. Like yourself. However you were honest about it unlike most of the members here. That was admirable atleast all cards are on the table.
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I bet you could not even name a single event that China has harmed Japan in any way ever.
Did I ever say china harmed japan in the past? I am concerned about them harming or bullying us in the future.
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Jul 14 2004, 01:33 AM)
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Jul 14 2004, 12:26 AM)
Ogumo
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
"The only peaceful way is for china to give up the islands. Japan should not allow them to be retaken. "
Why is it every time Chinese try to be soft on the Japanese we are percieved as being weak?
If that is the case then there won't be no peace!
It would be a good chance for China to get back at the Japanese for what they did in NanJing and in Korea and all of Asia, maybe when the PLA retake the islands it could "accidentally" fire a stray missile into Tokyo hahaha.(that would be so sweet)
Anyway can someone tell me how to qoute other people's reply?
Wouldn't it be fun if stray American ICBM equipped with nukes raining down on China?
Would it be nice if Vietnamese nukes rain down on China? Oh wait, Undeveloped 4th world nations don't have nukes!
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