I was always inspired by the magnificent expirer of Japan; especially the fact that you guy was able to dominate the whole of Asia during the Second World War And it is also really amazing that a lot of your Chinese friend on this board keep bragging about how strong china is, as they lost badly during that war even though simultaneously, you guys was fighting the rest of Asia as well. Also the Chinese always brag about how the magnificent force of china was able to stand up to Japan for 8 long years. And how embarrassing it is for Japan not being able to finish them of after 3months like Japanese has predicted during those days. What would you say to that?

And also tell me now, what do you think would be the outcome of the war and the outcome of the world if the Bloody Yankees did not have the ability to create nuke back then.

Please share your opinion with the rest of us!

Yours Truely

Cuong

hehe, your funny.

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I've never seen anyone brag how China was so strong during WW2. It was China's weakest period! Stop making up $hit to cause flame war!

QUOTE (直隸總督 @ Jun 28 2004, 10:57 AM)


I am not trying to cause a flame war. i Just want my fellow Japanese to give there honest opinion.

Some Japanese bragged about invading China and ruling Asia.

Who said that? where's all the Japanese?

He he he, ignorance annamese. Do you even know japan only sent 13% of his troops conquered half of southasia asia inculde your garbage annam in a matter of weeks?? in the other hand, japan's full scale attack with 75% of his army in China were totally replused.

heh heh heh

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That is true, I read that in my Second World War Atlas.

This one should be good. I can't wait to read what meatball says in this one.

Who's meatball?

So yeah the Japanese did conquer French Vietnam, and Vietnamese helped them do it, and then afterwards they fought with each other.

Even if america had no effect on japans war effort. I believe it would have taken probably another decade to fully conquer china and all of it's territory.

Of course, China's population was still the largest in the world. It takes time and patience to pacify that huge population. Rome wasn't built in a day you know. But eventually Japan would have won if it wasn't for the American interference.

If you want to blame anyone for the "Annamese" defeat in WW2, then blame the French, they were the ones fighting. lol. We Vietnmese nationalist worked with the Japanese to fight against the French and afterwards we dissappeared in the country side to fight against the Japanese as well.

You guys are simply trying to start $hit now....

Heil Great Japanese Empire. Japan would've ruled the entire Asia, ( and killed all of your Vietnamese compatriots, Cuong ).
The war lasted 8 years, one month and 3 days. 22 campaigns were fought ( both sides mobilized more than 100,000 troops), 1117 battles ( both sides mobilized more than 10,000 ), and 38931 skirmishes. Chinese lost 3.6 million soldiers, 35 million civilians. Japanese casualties were 1.1 million.
Yes, China was weak. Did Vietnamese even fight? Oh no no, Vietnam was ruled by France, so it was all Frenchies fault for losing to Japan.

At the beginning of the battle, Japanese army numbered around 380,000 . but 4 million more people had had military training, and more would be sent to China in following years. Chinese troops numbered around 1.8 million, but only 1/9 of them are trained and equipped with sufficient arms. Not to mention they were not able to freely mobilized the entire population because of poverty and lack of equipments.
Yes, I have to admit, Japanese were great ( training and technology wise). But what's your point of this thread anyway?

Probably to start some type of flame war.

As I suspected. It's funny how this barbarian would do anything to bash China.

Vietnam was GIVEN to the Japanese by the French government after France was occupied by Germany in WW2, they signed over Vietnam to Japan without any fight.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/Indochine/hist/begin.html

"With the fall of France in 1940, Indochina was internationally isolated, and largely left to her own devices by the Petain regime. The Japanese, realising the weakness of the French colony, pressurised the administration into granting various concessions (all aimed at aiding the Japanese war effort in China). This involved a steadily increasing Japanese military presence in Indochina"

Then in 1941, the Vietcong fought against the Japanese until 1945 when the Japanese surrendered, gave Vietnam it's independance, and Vietnam had IndoChina War 1 with the French and won, and then had Indochina War 2(Or the Vietnam War) with the Americans and won.

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The Japanese would have eventually drained all their resources fighting against China. They were already losing resources halfway through the war and got stuck there. Don't get me wrong, Japan definitely had military superiority during that time period but they still needed resources to continue their military advantage. In fact the main reason they attacked the US was because they needed Americans to help them fuel their resources for their war in Asia and they foolishly thought they could bomb the Americans into submission by crippling their navy. It wouldn't matter if the Americans never got involved, eventually Japan would have lost all their resources fighting against China and would either got stuck or just get kicked out.

Japan got LOTS of resources from Vietnam, and their greed of taking all the rice was caused over 1 million Vietnamese to starve to death.

There weren't many atrocities by the Japanese in Vietnam, but Vietnamese were more victim to Japanese greed and taking all the food for themselves.

The Japanese also were entitled to all of Vietnam's rice,rubber and mineral exports as well during World War 2.

http://www.vwam.com/vets/early2.html

"Vichy signed separate economic agreements that guaranteed to Japan virtually all of Vietnam's rice, rubber, and mineral exports. In payment the French received restricted Japanese yen, which could be spent only in Japan itself."

Having more civilians doesn't help doing war time. If the outcome of a war depends on the poplution of the country. Then I would say no doubt that China would have won. Japan took the advantage when China was at it's weakest state. And Japan like Germany had military superiority. You could use the same US and Spain metaphor. China being a old man on life support and Japan 18 years-old on steroid. China being overtaken by Japan wasn't because Chinese were cowards but China at that time were fragile. Japan just simply took the advantage.

Since the topic starter intention was to start a flame war. He would careless about the facts...

Their avatar looks to be the same size and graphic type.

Being invaded by Japan is definitely shameful for China. But then you have to look at the history. China was devastated by war and conflict for 200 years. China had to fight off foreign invaders such as the Europeans, Americans, and the Japanese while at the same time supress internal rebellions. The Japanese invaded during the Chinese Civil War. It was the best time for Japan to invade China as the Nationalist and Communist were already fighting each other and making the whole China even weaker. Compare that to Japan, who was "forced open" by the Americans but eventually adopted Western technology, something the Chinese wanted to do but didn't because of that evil b!tch, Empress Cixi who used the fund that's supposed to build a modern Chinese navy and built her summer and winter palaces instead.

So we have this larger country that was devasted by war and conflict for over 200 years and this smaller country that adopted Western technology and became a powerful force.

I believe the true shame for China isn't that it was invaded by Japan as Japan was powerful country at that time. The true shame is that China allowed itself to become weaker than Japan.

WELL SAID KULONG !!!

Thanks.

We must not forget our own values as it's difficult living in the West.

Here in the U.S., whenever something goes wrong, people would deny it until they have been proven guilty and then they either divert the attention elsewhere or play stupid. (*ahem* Clinton *ahem* Bush).

But according to our Confucian values, when something goes wrong, we must 反省 "fanxing" and reflect on ourselves to figure out how things went wrong and how to prevent it from happening again.

Indeed. Internally, we need to fanxing. However, to the foreigns we must make up our face.

Well, if we fanxing internationally, it would just make us look weak and always at fault as U.S. and the Western "blame anyone but you" attitude currently dominates the international scene...

"Internally", meaning examine yourself, your own country, your own people.
But we cannot just go around and say "we've done bad things, we need to correct such and such". To the foreigners we should make up our face by showing them we've come back up and we're capable to do as much damage to them as they did to us.

There's not a lot of coverage of their suffering in WW2.

Not surprising, you have a Jewish lobby in USA.

I believe China is doing a great job right now... I've always believe that Chinese people are more a doer than a talker...

ROLF!!! Phomanese, I can't believe you find such weak excuse for your garbage nation been submitted so eaily within a week by 10% of japanese's military strength. well, japan is not any lager than vitnam isn't it?

And no, nothing should blame franch, if say anything need to blame, that would be why you annamese unable to protect yourself form your French master in the first place? and what makes you think a wimp army such as phonamese able to repluse 10% slace of japanese army which defeated an army which once easily conquered you??

About japanese, I think all you phomanese need to thanks them greatly, because if wasn't they weaken the french, then you phonamese will able to earn the little temporary freedom as you still have now. yes?

By his logic, the Nam was given to France by China. LOL

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ROLF!!!!!!!!

You can laugh as much as you want, but the thing is Vietnamese people are able to have their own nation, speak their own language, embrace their own culture... while the manchurian... Uhm yea..

lol I guess you never heard of the Sino-French War.

China DIDN'T HAND over Vietnam.

When France wanted Vietnam, China interrupted and said that Vietnam was a protecterate of China(or a vassal state) and was under the protection of China.

France and China then had a few battles with CHINA LOSING, and Vietnam was then taken by the French.

tsk tsk, I don't know why we even bothered to pay tribute for protectorate status when China couldn't even protect us from the French. We had to kick the French out ourselves later.

Well at that time she can't even protect her own land

O wait, aren't the manchurian emperors and empress partly responsible for the "humilation" to the west?

We want a refund. Horrible service, we pay gold as tribute for protection, and we have to end up kicking out the invaders ourselves. Horrible service, just horrible. lol

Did China ever kick their Europeon oppressors out? Or were they given independence?

Vietnam (Indo-China) fell so quick to Japanese Imperial Army, It wasn't even funny.

It took 18,000 man to take over Indo-China, yet there was 1,110,000 Japanese troops in North China/Machukou alone.

I stated this in my perivous post, somewhat that phonamese clown Byron and his comrade nam quc pho hoi just love to drag population issue into a war time problem, Even when annam is the only country on our planet, size of a pie, population less than 90 million but hold 2 millions armyl while fight the nam pho war, but still ended up with 1,100,000 death more dead. according to the casulty list, every single american soilder killed 21 annamese. and they really dare to use the word"human wave" to put down others LOL!!

Everyone feel free to check out the link. ~please~
http://www.rjsmith.com/kia_tbl.html




Ho ho ho, and you know we will lost??? the no.1 fact, and the difference between us is that China haven't been counuer, and wasn't even nearly in a bad shpae, 6 years after during 1943-1945, PLA and KMT were worked togather and already had superior military status, both sides have well equied soilers number of million. Japan, however was totally exhausted, they ate a nuky in their mother land, and suffering lost battle everywhere in mainland china, that's the motivation made them surrender.

And of course you phoanmese wouldn't know this part history since 8 years before that you've already been conquered and enslaved alone with filipinos and cambos.

Don't worry, I won't blame you

Yeah no $hit, China's had the largest population. Of course it would make more logical sense to bring more people to fight against China.

Japan didn't TAKE OVER Indochina by fighting against it. Germany deserves the most credit.

French Indochina wasn't handed over until 1940, after Germany took over France, and the French government in Indochina then decided to become pro-Nazi and signed a treaty letting the Japanese rule of Indo-China.

Japan didn't want to risk fighting against the French and it was more easier to wait until Germany took control of France to take Indochina from the French without fighting.

a negro slaver asking his perivous master for refund because of the chang of the ownership.

LOL!!!!!!!!! HELP I CAN"T BREATH!!!



For the last time, my friend, I'm a chinese.

LOL, they should blame themselves for being enslaved.

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I decide to give you phonamese a short break because I have something to do at moment.

Stay tuned Annamese, more to come laterly.

Whatever.

Where the fu-k did you get your $hit @$$ statistics from?

All I have to say is that China, being a much larger country than Japan yet lost sorely and in the process, some 25 million of her citizens were butchered by the Japanese.

Vietnam, on the other hand was a small country with no sovereignty as the French were still controlling us, thus we had no arms to resist once the French left. China on the other hand was a sovereign nation with an army of her own and outnumbered the Japanese.

Who should be ashamed of themselves, Chinese or Vietnamese?

The reason why china was lost in war was because they don’t have SARS and lack of brains back then. But up to now the Chinese had learned from the mistakes and figure out how things went wrong and how to prevent it from happening again. They came up with a solution and that makes the Chinese army is even more formidable now. They don't even need weapons. All they do is just sneeze at their enemies and shoot SARS virus. Lol

Btw, I see Byron’s speaking with facts and he also provides sources to back him up. Unlike hung-gate, he speaks out from his asss without provided anything.

u Chinese have firepowr + huge population + patriotism = loser

Us Vietnamese have inferior weapons + small population + patriotism + brains = winner