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Byron
The Communists are doing a great job. Hopefully this will get reduced to 5% or less by 2020.

http://www.nhandan.com.vn/english/life/070307/life_vnt.htm

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Vietnam to reduce poverty to 11% by 2010

On March 6 Vietnam introduced its national poverty reduction programme for the 2006-2010 period, whose target is to reduce the percentage of poor households (according to new criterion) of 22% in 2005 to 10-11% by 2010.

The country's new criterion regarding poverty is based on a household whose per capita income per month is below VND200,000 (US $12.5) in rural areas and below VND260,000(US $16.25) in urban areas is classified as poor.

While introducing the programme to the public, Minister of Labour, War Invalids and Social Affairs Nguyen Thi Hang unveiled that close to VND43.5 trilion will be earmarked for the programme, which is seven percent higher than the sum spent in the 2001-2005 period.

The sum will include the State budget's allocation, local contributions and funding from the international community, Hang said.

In the 2006-2010 period, the programme will be supported with new policies regarding legal support and monitoring activities. It will also be supplemented with new projects, including projects to provide poor people with vocational training and build fundamental infrastructural facilities in communes facing extreme difficulties, coastal areas and islands.

To meet the target, the State will continue assisting those poor people with educational, vocational training fees, and health insurance cards.

The State will also continue to implement credit policies in favour of poor households, allocate farming land and supply drinking water for poor ethnic minorities, and carry out agriculture, forestry and fishery promotion programmes.

Addressing the press briefing, John Hendra, Resident Coordinator of the United Nations in Vietnam commented that by approving the 2006-2010 poverty reduction programme and the second phase of the programme 135 that promotes socio-economic development in underdeveloped communes in mountainous, rural and remote areas, Vietnam has reasserted its commitment to reducing poverty to achieve its set development goals as well as Millennium Development Goals.

Hendra also renewed the UN's pledge of assisting Vietnam 's poverty programmes through sharing international experiences in the field and providing with technical assistance and assisting in capacity building.

The UN will assist the Vietnamese Government in coordinating different capital sources, including that from international donors to maximise the effectiveness of the two programmes to benefit the poor.

The national poverty reduction programme was completed at the end of 2004 - one year ahead of schedule, bringing the percentage of poor households to 7% (according to the old criterion) compared to the 10% target for 2005. It was recognised by the international community as "one of many successful stories in economic development".

The programme has helped 4.3 million poor households access to credit, 51,000 other poor households attain farming land, and 2 million disadvantaged people to be trained in business.

Millions of poor were offered free medical checks-up and exempted from school fees.

Also in this period, over 1,000 infrastructural facilities including electricity, transportation, schools and health clinics were built in nearly 1,000 underdeveloped communes. (VNA)
ntn1987
only idiots believe these BS
Byron
QUOTE(ntn1987 @ Mar 10 2007, 11:26 AM) [snapback]2781536[/snapback]

only idiots believe these BS


And why not? This is just a prediction. No one knows exactly what will happen but according to the pattern of the government reducing poverty previously this is a very likely outcome.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vm.html
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Population below poverty line:
Definition Field Listing
19.5% (2004 est.)


Poverty rate accorfing to CIA world factbook is only 19.5% for 2004 . I don't see how a goal of 11% in 3 years from now and 7 years from 2004 which was when it was 19.5% is being unrealistic.

I guess everyone including CIA,UN and World bank are idiots while the only true geniuses are Yellow Flag Wavers who if they were geniuses wouldn't have lost the war espicially with American help and aid.
ntn1987
where is the source? is it reliable? is it biased? is it propaganda?
ask yourself those questions first!
Byron
QUOTE(ntn1987 @ Mar 10 2007, 12:04 PM) [snapback]2781586[/snapback]

where is the source? is it reliable? is it biased? is it propaganda?
ask yourself those questions first!


It doesn't need to be a source because it is a prediction. Anyone can make a prediction you know.

If your asking for a "reliable" source for the 19.5% figure for 2004 then you can see that it is plainly from the CIA world factbook.
ntn1987
where did the CIA get their facts from? how do you know it is reliable?
Byron
QUOTE(ntn1987 @ Mar 10 2007, 12:16 PM) [snapback]2781607[/snapback]

where did the CIA get their facts from? how do you know it is reliable?


With that logic you might as well not trust any source for anything as well unless you were there first hand and collecting the info yourself.

Here's another source from the Asian development bank.

http://www.adb.org/media/Articles/2005/891...erty_reduction/

with 24.1% for 2004. You can say that their source is untrustworthy but they said the poverty rate was 58% in 1993, so should we believe the 58% in 1993 is a lie as well?
blacklight
QUOTE(ntn1987 @ Mar 10 2007, 11:26 AM) [snapback]2781536[/snapback]

only idiots believe these BS

Why are you so skeptical? Even if you don't trust nhandan, the fact is that the government is working with the UN to reduce poverty, and if cooperation is to be effective, then cooperation requires that both the UN and the government of Vietnam work from the same set of facts. The UN has in the past found that Vietnam is an extremely interesting (i.e. fascinating) case study in economic development and continues to do so. Needless to say, the UN will go uout of its way to spread the lessons it learned from its exposure to Vietnam.
TINMAN
QUOTE(Byron @ Mar 10 2007, 11:22 AM) [snapback]2781529[/snapback]

The Communists are doing a great job. Hopefully this will get reduced to 5% or less by 2020.

http://www.nhandan.com.vn/english/life/070307/life_vnt.htm

Progress is good. beerchug.gif
ddha
QUOTE(Byron @ Mar 10 2007, 11:22 AM) [snapback]2781529[/snapback]

The Communists are doing a great job. Hopefully this will get reduced to 5% or less by 2020.

http://www.nhandan.com.vn/english/life/070307/life_vnt.htm


It's not the Communists who are doing a great job. It's the people who had enough insight into implementing the "doi moi" policies that helped Vietnam gain such impressive growth. These people are not really Communists because if they were, they wouldn't be allowing private businesses and investments in Vietnam. Communism is slowing dying in Vietnam.,,, and that's a good thing biggrin.gif
Byron
When I say Communists, I mean government of Vietnam, and yes those people are considered Communists because they are in the Communist Party of Vietnam.
VietPunk
QUOTE(Byron @ Mar 10 2007, 10:33 AM) [snapback]2781549[/snapback]

And why not? This is just a prediction. No one knows exactly what will happen but according to the pattern of the government reducing poverty previously this is a very likely outcome.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/vm.html
Poverty rate accorfing to CIA world factbook is only 19.5% for 2004 . I don't see how a goal of 11% in 3 years from now and 7 years from 2004 which was when it was 19.5% is being unrealistic.

I guess everyone including CIA,UN and World bank are idiots while the only true geniuses are Yellow Flag Wavers who if they were geniuses wouldn't have lost the war espicially with American help and aid.


somehow, i knew one of your reply in this thread would refer to the "Yellow Flag Wavers." to have your mind plaque with the constant thoughts of them, your hatred is unparalleled.
Byron
Yellow Flag Wavers or their other names which were Vietnamese who are allied to the U.S I forgive them.
VietPunk
QUOTE(Byron @ Mar 10 2007, 05:38 PM) [snapback]2782256[/snapback]

Excuse me for trying to dispel the false image that everything good that comes out of Vietnam is due to the Yellow Flag Wavers, while everything evil is due to the government.

There's plenty of fanatics who have the government on their mind all the time. I'm trying to counter this false image. icon_smile.gif

Spread the news of Vietnam around the world so all overseas Vietnamese can be proud of their country because right now they can't even wave the flag of Vietnam without getting beat up by the Yellow Flag wavers.


there are people that just look for the good side, then there are those that only look for the bad side, both denying the fact that both are true. there are many corrupted officials, but i'm sure there are sincere ones too. i will not wave the red flag, nor will you find me at a yellow flag demonstration.
Byron
South Vietnamese need to forgive and forget about the war.
TINMAN
QUOTE(Byron @ Mar 10 2007, 06:53 PM) [snapback]2782289[/snapback]

Thing is, this image of Vietnam being evil that Yellow Flag wavers are trying to spread to overseas Vietnamese will have great consequences. Eventually younger Vietnamese will grow ashamed and alienated from Vietnam and will lose their culture and heritage.

The only way to save the youth now is to counter the damage done by the Yellow Flag wavers and as pride is created, then only then can Vietnamese around the world and unite for a better Vietnam. Those who do not want the youth to lose interest in Vietnam must spread the word of the new Vietnam and any slander the Yellow Flag Wavers make should be countered fact by fact.

I agree. beerchug.gif
TINMAN
QUOTE(ddha @ Mar 10 2007, 04:39 PM) [snapback]2782060[/snapback]

It's not the Communists who are doing a great job. It's the people who had enough insight into implementing the "doi moi" policies that helped Vietnam gain such impressive growth. These people are not really Communists because if they were, they wouldn't be allowing private businesses and investments in Vietnam. Communism is slowing dying in Vietnam.,,, and that's a good thing biggrin.gif

It is true that there are no real communist anymore in Vietnam which is a good thing. Communist exists by name only so things are moving along progressively like they should and we should give the current government the benefit of the doubt. In the past, communists and non-communists alike have worked together to improve Vietnam and you might find it interesting to know that the architect of the Doi Moi policies was an ex-VNCH leader/Harvard educated economist by the name Nguyen Xuan Oanh, who has set an example for us all to follow. Even the hard-core anti-communist leader/owner of all those Pho Hoa restaurants around the world have decided to make peace and is currently doing business in Vietnam.
VietPunk
QUOTE(Byron @ Mar 10 2007, 05:53 PM) [snapback]2782289[/snapback]

Thing is, this image of Vietnam being evil that Yellow Flag wavers are trying to spread to overseas Vietnamese will have great consequences. Eventually younger Vietnamese will grow ashamed and alienated from Vietnam and will lose their culture and heritage.

The only way to save the youth now is to counter the damage done by the Yellow Flag wavers and as pride is created, then only then can Vietnamese around the world and unite for a better Vietnam. Those who do not want the youth to lose interest in Vietnam must spread the word of the new Vietnam and any slander the Yellow Flag Wavers make should be countered fact by fact.


in a few generations it would not matter. oversea vietnamese will have viet blood, but they will not have attachments with vietnam, to them vietnam is merely a country of the ancestors. so realistically, those that live outside of vietnam will be too busy making a living than to unite for a better vietnam. it is a sad truth that identity is bound to diminish, but is is the truth nonetheless.
TrashCleaner
it's good to see overseas vietnamese integrating successfully into other societies. there are more opportunities out there for them if they could do so. but remember: integrating successfully into the mainstream doesnt mean that you have to give up your cultural heritage. in fact, embracing your cultural heritage would give you a strong identity that is essential to success in america or elsewhere. the most successful asian americans are those with strong asian cultural heritage. Refer to: http://goldsea.com/Features/Identity/identity.html if you want to know why.

This story is very interesting for anyone to read through:
Confessions of an Asian Male Adoptee
http://goldsea.com/Features2/White/white.html

It is the present vietnam that would need help to grow faster. In a few generations (say 50 years) at even a lower growth rate, i predict that vietnam doesnt need help any more.
landsknechts
Goldshiet.com?

One of the most lame azz sites that I've come across
TrashCleaner
QUOTE(landsknechts @ Mar 11 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]2783520[/snapback]

Goldshiet.com?

One of the most lame azz sites that I've come across


I'm at the moment working as a professional and i found what the site said to be very correct and helpful.
It may be somewhat biased towards vietnamese but i dont really care about that. i found its content getting more respectful towards vietnamese in the last 2 to 3 years.
landsknechts
Don't assume too much about what you think what's in my mind

Even though as retared as Bobvu can be, he did say one thing about you that I think it is absolutely true
ddha
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Mar 10 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]2782929[/snapback]

It is true that there are no real communist anymore in Vietnam which is a good thing. Communist exists by name only so things are moving along progressively like they should and we should give the current government the benefit of the doubt. In the past, communists and non-communists alike have worked together to improve Vietnam and you might find it interesting to know that the architect of the Doi Moi policies was an ex-VNCH leader/Harvard educated economist by the name Nguyen Xuan Oanh, who has set an example for us all to follow. Even the hard-core anti-communist leader/owner of all those Pho Hoa restaurants around the world have decided to make peace and is currently doing business in Vietnam.


That's exactly what I mean. The current VN government is Communist by name only since they're not adopting Communist policies for Vietnam anymore... that's why Vietnam is finally moving in the right direction and finally making progress.
phreezen
QUOTE(ddha @ Mar 11 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]2784366[/snapback]

That's exactly what I mean. The current VN government is Communist by name only since they're not adopting Communist policies for Vietnam anymore... that's why Vietnam is finally moving in the right direction and finally making progress.

Hmmm, where have I heard this "Communist in name only" excuse. Could it be China....???? More parroting, I guess......


TINMAN pathetically used the term ex-VNCH....It's true that Nguyen Xuan Oanh helped draft the Doi Moi. But there were many economists that worked on it. Read his obituary by the BBC(hates Viet Nam). The architect is Nguyen Van Linh.

Oanh talks about the Doi Moi which he reference the perestroika and glasnost...Viet Nam's brand of market socialism.


Forgot to add, America is headed for socialism.......Funny article by a hard core capitalist conservative....time to panic....
"China is communist in name only."
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/...articleID=21934
f20btran
QUOTE(VietPunk @ Mar 11 2007, 12:48 PM) [snapback]2782276[/snapback]


there are people that just look for the good side, then there are those that only look for the bad side, both denying the fact that both are true. there are many corrupted officials, but i'm sure there are sincere ones too. i will not wave the red flag, nor will you find me at a yellow flag demonstration.


I can see you wave the american flag mate, because that who your are if don't support the currnet Viets.

jose cuervo
QUOTE(ddha @ Mar 11 2007, 03:20 PM) [snapback]2784366[/snapback]
That's exactly what I mean. The current VN government is Communist by name only since they're not adopting Communist policies for Vietnam anymore... that's why Vietnam is finally moving in the right direction and finally making progress.


Exactly!

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