Hi i came not long ago to this forum,

I like a lot Asia, its cultures , its people.
I have been in Japan twice (total 3 month and a half) and China once (total 1 year)
I speak some Chinese mandarin (i studyed it in Beijing) and manage a little in Japanese (self study)
I have Korean friends, thai, Japanese, Chinese...

my question reading many of the post in different threads is:
Why most of people here Worry so much about being Asian?

China is a powerfull country with long history and culture, Japan is economicaly rich and has his own culture, i don't know too much about all other country, but you all have your own culture, country, history...
So why do you refer as yourselves more like Asian than like Chinese or Japanese, etc...
for example in the post about "why cannot China/Japan/Korea get along."

I am French, and in Europe there is many diverse cultures and people, every country has its own goal and geo-politics, but i never heard any people saying:
" hey we should fight together or unite because we are white.
as white people we need to help each other against the "black"asian" etc... "

In europe we never see ourselves in term of race or color but in term of culture and country.
How is that? that i get the feeling that some people in this Forum think more in term of color?

In europe this kind of thinking could almost be considered as racist... not that i accuse anybody here.
maybe it is because that in europe we have a lot of diversity and mixture of color, and that the national identity prime over the color of the citizen.
but as Asian country has mostly Asian people (Japan only 1% of foreigner and mostly asian foreigner), so China see Chinese people as Asian, while france see French people as French. i used China as example but it applies to all others nearby countries.

some people here seems also to complain about Japan being too friendly with white?
Asian vs White,Black,etc..
how is that you see also foreigner only in term of color? Asia has many country with diverse culture, same for europe and others.
It piss me off when i heard some say "Chinese" to refer to any Asian he see, Japanese restaurant has nothing to do with China, every country in Asia are different they are not "Chinese"
so i would appreciate too if you would not also refer Europe or USA as "White" cause in France there is a lot of asian french people, black french people. we are not only White.

Last question, some people seem to dislike white and think it is bad to like white or being friendly with them... Do you have an inferiority complexe?
because from my point of view Asian people Have a great culture and history, are pretty intelligent and successful (rising power of China, Japan, Korea), there is so many thing i like about Asia that i couldn't understand if you would feel inferior to stupid American Geo-politic who try to manipulate the world.

PS: American are not "White" they are American, and European are not "White" but are European.
I wouldn't like to think that most of Asian people are racist, it would sadden me a lot.

you make some good and valid points.

I for one am convinced that there is more bickering and "racism" between ourselves in SEAsia or E Asia than I see in Europe : having said that with the opening up of the old communist block and the influx of "poorer" Europeans into the Eu we are seeing the same bigotry that was previously reserved for Asians / Blacks directed at fellow "whites" .

Ultimately I don't think the issue is racism based on colour : I think it is bigotry based on differences in culture and wealth .


As a priveleged Asian living abroad I do not see much bigotry towards myself - this is no doubt because of my social status and circles within which I mix .

I understand what you're trying to say Lapin. I don't really get all the bs racism here either. There's a lot said against white people, black people and different types of Asians.

Anyway, I just generally try to ignore most of it (otherwise I'd spend my whole day replying to racist comments).

France is cool, good football (Yoann Gourcuff is very popular with AC Milan fans already), good food, good girls and a unique culture.

I plan to learn French again now (it wasn't too impressive before and I forgot most of that lol), it'll be useful for me as my company has a lot of business in France now.

this is the answer to the problem

I think if someone is being anti-us because she/he hates the lethal dose of US political and military influence in East, South, and Southeast Asia, it doesn't necessarily mean that the person is a racist because first of all American is not a race but a nationality unless someone will tell me if American is only use for whites and the rest is hyphenated.

Honestly, I don't hate whites infact it's quite the opposite of that and my small altar is filled with white images (celebrities if you know what I mean). I like whites and I think my likes for anime has something to do in my liking for whites. I also would like to procreate with whites because I'm an asian with no racial conscience.



it's debatable. There are some that don't agree with that and these are the people who are proud of their culture, heritage, and skin color. So let's not take away their rights on the way they define of what is being a european.



yes Japan despite that it's a constitution of a defeated nation is an economic giant, a member of the G8, and a special nation in asia like germany in europe but still it depends on US for defense and in return US the security dog of Japan is making full use of its client state.

As for China, I think I read somewhere that Confucious has a wise words regarding "whiteness" but I forgot it.

uwag_davao i am far from an expert in term of Asia some in most of subject i try to be as carefull as possible, but you see i am French and i live in France... i know europe much better than Asia but i will talk only about France wich is an European country as you know.

first have you ever been to France?
France has almost 5 millions of Foreigner and 50% come from Africa, 15% from Asia.
This doesn't count the black, Arabian, Asian who became French through colonization and that are still French territory.
France has a long history of colony in Asia, in Africa north and south, in South America and carabeian island France still own some of these territory wich are as majority Black, Arabian, and even many Asian ( Reunion island, etc..)
France is a very mixed country, come to "Marseille" second bigest town of France and you will almost see no white people, majority of Black and Arabian. and all of them are French.
With France colony lot of Black people where French even before my grand-grand dad was born, so they are more French than Italian and Poland immigrant wich are white...

so what the crap about "white", France have always been a country of mixed blood and population, French in colony often had married wich local people.
and all europe have been mixed a lot, Spain had more than half of the country invaded by Arabian, England have many pakistanies and Indians from older colonies.

I could write a longer post, but let's try to be short.
European Country in there majority, France, Belgium, England, Italy, Spain are not White !! because of the colonies and the multiracial mixing.
Even the german who once talk about pureness of Race have many Turcish people in their territory.

Great thread Lapin!

that's how I feel! Not white but EUROPEan, fu-king hate being compared to americans. like every asian would hate to be called ( if it was a chinese - a japanese ) or other way around.

I agree this is a good thread. Every Asian needs to open their eyes. Accept differences, and stop being so paranoid about who is better than who.

I am an Asian. Cheers to all Asian countries

I wouldn't consider myself to be "asian", as lapin wouldn't consider himself "white", simply because it's vague and asian countries are a whole lot dissimilar compared to european countries (in terms of wealth, standard of living etc.)

but in New Zealand, what I've experienced was that it doesn't matter if you're Korean/Japanese/Chinese; nationality doesn't count; you're asian. Good thing lapin isn't as ignorant as some people and can appreciate individual cultures.

Lapin, are you european?

something I don't understand about europeans is this:

1. How can europeans lecture to asians about racism? it was only about half a century ago that europeans were putting other europeans of different ethnic background in gas chambers. You know that Germany was the major euro country. We're not talking about a minor european country. European have nothing to teach Asians. Keep in mind that you folks ended up killing about 60 million people, during WWII, because of ethnic differences and national rivalries.

2. Yes, there's is some racial diversity in euro countries but keep in mind that this is a result of centuries of imperialism. For example, the British ruled India for centuries. It's not surprising that there are many Indians living in the UK now. Many asian countries, except for japan, do not have this legacy of imperialism.

In short, contrary to what europeans think, I don't think europe has anything to teach asians since you yourselves just got democracy and ended imperialism recently. None of the euro countries voluntarily gave up imperialism. Imperialism stopped because the euro countries committed basically civilizational suicide during WWII. You LOST your colonies, you didn't give them up because of any warm feelings for people of other color.

i think people 'worry' about being labeled asians because they want acknowledgment for their identities.

some asians overseas just don't feel accepted even though they've lived overseas all their lives. what worries them even more is that they know that they won't be accepted in the nation of their ancestors either.

The OP's basic point is why Asians are so self-conscious about being Asian and why we tend to see matter as a struggle between "us Asians" and "them Westerners".

The answer: because the West insulted us with colonialism and racism in the past, and we don't like to be fvcked around with.

If you all don't see it as a struggle, then that makes our eventual success all that much easier. Even if you all do eventually unite and try to contest international influence with us, we will still win, and you will still lose.

no! you know what? Eskimos will rule the world!

1. Europe and America were the originators of race-based eugenics (which served often as the basis/justification for slavery/colonialism).

2. France and other European countries have huge problems with their minority immigrant populations (despite the historical problems of race relations in the US - in many ways, minorities in Europe are worse off). For example, I seem to recall the riots in France and the incident where certain French politicians decried the make-up of the French World Cup futbol team (not to mention European fans making monkey/ape noises and throwing bananas onto the field whenever black players touched the ball).

3. Gee, it really wasn't that long ago when European nations were fighting each other (and ethnic tensions/fighting in Europe still exist today - i.e. - Basque independence movement, tension/violence among the Balkan ethnicities, tension btwn the former Soviet bloc states and Russia, Northern Ireland, etc.).

Yea good topic. Not really a good idea to deem someone the name of their skin color rather then where they were born, raised and grew apart of. It's just ignorant, you don't really know much about the person your talking about so why bother. I don't think people like being completely associated with different countries just because of similar skin color.

Over here in Montreal people are very diverse too. You go to almost any school and you'll see people of almost every culture. For example our restaurants are known for being rich because of the contributions coming from all the different cultural communities that live in the city.

If they get along,you would have an easier time picking up the chicks huh?If you do have that much time try going to africa and its neighbouring countries they sure need your help lol jk ..-_-

Most of the people on this board are Asian Americans, so they view race through American lens.

Most Asians in Asia identify with their culture, as do Europeans. But the modern racial awareness of Chinese come from their contact with the Europeans, who were fanatically racist people. So I don't think that Europe is in any position to lecture others on race.

Anyways, feel free to ask more questions.

So you know most of the member in here? as for me I'm very proud to be ASIAN.


Ever heard of East ASIA summit that were formed by China, Japan and South Korea? East ASIA summit are like ASEAN [ Association Of South East ASIA Nations ] that now turn into a union. Soon East ASIA summit will also do what ASEAN did by turning into a union and not an association.


Did you know why most ASIAN such as Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Indonesian or other ASIAN prefer themself as ASIAN rather than as Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Indonesian, etc? because we ASIAN are genetically the same and mostly have the same set of mind. Ever heard of ASIAN Games? an ASIAN olympiade that held each 4 year only between all the ASIAN countrys while European, African or other race not have European games, African games, etc.


I don't prefer Europe as america or Australia but it is the american, Euroepan and Australian themself who thinks thay are white and not the ASIAN who thinks it that way. In america there is even a word "white power".

There is validity in having South Korea, Japan, and China work together. Not for racist reasons but for purely geographic, cultural and economic reasons.

Although I agree with most of your points, I don't think the word "Asian" should be equated with the word "White". The difference is that "White" is a skin colour, while "Asian" refers to the continent of Asia, in the same way "European" refers to the subcontinent of Europe. Just like you are proud to be "European", many Asians are also proud to be "Asian", not necessarily in a racial sense, but in a cultural and/or geographical sense.

Are you retarded, I don't think racism is a good thing but the lack of racial or geo-cultural conciousness on the part of Asians resulted with being fu-ked over by the Europeans(who started racism and made the world 10x more racially concious than it ever was due to all their racist hogwash). For most of history Asia(excluding Russia/Middle East) was wealthier than the rest of the world combined but the lack of racial/geo-cultural unity led to it's downfall. Asia is steadily rising to the top again and it's mostly a lack of acceptance/cooperation like the Euros/"the white man" has that holds Asia back. And Asians hardly can be defined by color, we range from very dark like in southern India to very pale in Mongolia.

Well said Likes I said it's funny.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17280807/displ.../framenumber/5/

If there is anything I dont like about whites , it got be anglo saxons , I find their attitude very disturbing
, personally I have nothing agaisnt white people , I have more white friend than the asians , but except
the anglo saxons .




Actually , my French friend , I dont think Asians are self-abased when dealing with your white .
but , they are pissed because some white can be forceful when dealing with them ,
especailly the anglos , anglos thinks that Asian are easily to be imposed on ,
on the other hand the Asians does not enjoy to be treat like doormat .

I think thats the problem
I have experiencefor dealing with anglos before and find their manner and attitude are disturbing .

well asians have long unresolved conflicts.





they can't get along just like you can't get along with your siblings sometimes.



that's one of the priveleges of being white is that you don't have to unite. you take for granted that no race will bug you and you might not even realize it. this is sociology.



people think in terms of race everywhere maybe not so pravalent and more subtle in europe like you said.



are you saying racism doesn't exist in europe?



they have too much time on their hand dont worry about them



this you come to learn: people will always think in terms of race



yes it is hate/love relationship. rather anvious than hatred.



as much as youd like to deny, you will always be branded with the word "white"

you got it right but i live in Europa and in my country we don+t have mix people .. black or asian..
and i must said that in live I never seen black person becuse we are her all withe ..
and when someone like from Chine here came is not that we don+t like them is+t wired to see
them becuse we don+t have mix people only withe..
I like Asian culture very much but i never have friend or be close to someone from Aisan or black people so
i wold probalby stare in him.. don+t get me worng i will stare in him becuse i never see it. eh

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LastLegend : ditto.

dropping the PC BS :

Lapin Bleu , even if you made some good points in your post i found it a bit annoying... why ? because it seems you re "lecturing" "Asians" ( yes, thank you, we know Thai people and Japanese are very different culture-wise even if they re both "asians", didn t need an asianphile telling us so... and if you hadn t noticed, there are forums for different cultures ) about racism... (speculating on the irony ???)

+ what intercar said about colonies.

Not to mention, your "good points" aren t actually all that good ...

you : "In europe we never see ourselves in term of race or color but in term of culture and country."

me : ... when in Asia, "Asians" don t see themselves in terms of race but like you said...in terms of culture ... ie :
*sawat dii !*
*me kimchi lover*
*majulah singapuraaaaa laaaaah*
Like you would go :
* hola que tal?*
*baguette et fromage*
*frankfurt kartoffen me likey !*
it seems to me that a lot of the posters here are "overseas asians" ...and just like "european" or "american" expats do, they tend to group together...
basically, in order to make your point valid, you d have to compare "asian" living in a "european" or "american" environment *rolls eyes* to "europeans" or "americans" living in an "Asian" environment... not in Europe like you just did ! and for the info... "europeans" or "americans" in "Asia" are a tighter knit community than "Asians" in Europe or the US...

i didn't came back to this post for some time and i just seen lot of answer.

well thanks a lot for sharing your feeling and many have a good point, i will try to take some time to re-read every post and maybe give an answer to each one where needed, but for now i will just clear some point.


True that Asian isn't only a term used for color like white but also a term wich define a geographical region same as european or african. usualy racist would use the term yellow to call Asian, i am sorry i can't bring myself to call Asian people yellow because i find it very unrespectfull to them, even tought i don't feel the term white or black is bad in term of racism...

Europe indeed have racism, i mean LOL let's get real, we are all human being, not white, not black, not "Asian", but just human being, wich mean we are basicaly all the same... there is violence, rape, drug, racism, abused, hatred, murder in all "Race Color" because we are all human.

but do you think the fact that some European people are racist i should agree with them and say well yes, let's go kill a black to have fun or let's insult and asian we have nothing to do right now.... because people rape, i should rape too?
sorry i disagree with all racist wherever their color or culture, this is why i also feel that i can say a few word to you in this forum. i don't say anyone is racist i just say why do you always oppose color vs color.
but don't worry i know i am being naive and i know the first thing people will always see is skin color, it not sad it is just natural, but even though we see that someone else is a diferent color, that doesn't mean we must hate him for it or blame it onto him... every people are different and many people of the same color share very different culture. so generalizing the identity and the being of someone to only his color is just fake and wrong.

for the people who feel like i am preaching, i don't know... maybe i am preaching... but your preaching me too... all we do is sharing feeling, discussing, i ask questions and try to understand your point of view. i don't feel like i try to preach anybody and i don't try to get your approval, i just tell you how i feel and try to understand how you feel about it.
if people can't suffer that my opinion is not politicaly correct with what they think, sorry.
but for me i am rather happy that some people don't agree with me and speak their mind out, speaking, debating, giving argument is always sane and benefit everyone including me.
someone said: do you say nobody is racist in europe? well of course there is, i never said there wasn't and still he got a good point and argument, yes europe is no better that asia, and not better than usa. white people are no better than asian or african, we are all people we should be all equal.

what is said was my feeling from reading many post where i was shocked to see the point of view of some people of only think about themself in term of color and opposition/ fight toward some other color people, some people who think only in term of fear or aggression.
white people isn't a menace when you live in USA, you are here, they are there you just have to try to find your way in, i don't know how USA work i never been there, i don't know how racist usa white people are, i never been there.
i know only France and france also have many racist too, but i don't like it, i don't like when you hide behind your asianness to oppose the world, or say this or this is bad about a color when the only thing your concern about is not getting laid by white chicks or being insulted by this white nerds retard.
it is you right to disagree, it is your right to think this way, it is my right to tell you how i feel, and my happiness to share your reaction and comments.

lobsterwoman maybe i am asianophile so what wrong with that, i also like myself, and don't hate anybody for their color, nor black nor arabian, i hate only the one who hurt me, even though i will be cautious toward the ones which are similar to who's been hurting me.
if a girl say i dated a white guy he was violent and bad, and then she is very carefull about white guy it is just natural, but don't say all white/asian/black are violent or bad because of one.

and maybe i repeat myself but living in america can give you the right to talk about white american, but most of french people feel completly alien toward USA culture and people, i am not criticising USA but believe me i don't feel like my culture is similar to them, but it is true that i wouldn't mind seing me as european even though europe is growing larger and larger and the culture gap between european country still exist.


sorry to write too much. (tell me your feeling, i don't mind being disapproved just point out your arguments and if you make me change my way to think i would be pretty much happy because i would have learn sometime and grow)

yeah also in aust. i don't get why americans care about race so much.

THIS TOPIC SHOULD BE MOVED TO "AF LOUNGE" OR "OTHER CULTURE" SECTION.

It depends. Asia gets a lot of flak for almost everything, and it's incredibly hypocritical. BBC and other European media sites always scream about Tibet this, Tibet that, human rights, blah blah blah, but they don't pay Africa back for what they did to them and they don't do anything about their genocide of Maori, Native Americans, etc. This may not seem like a big issue but people's real feelings emerge on the internet and you can't go to a single place without hearing how Asians are "cruel, primitive, murderous" etc.

France also sold arms to Sierra Leonan warlords who murdered and mutilated/raped thousands but then when China does the same in Sudan they scream bloody murder. When Americans employ illegal immigrants, outsource and pollute other countries, experiment on non-white children, babies and pregnant women in third world countries they don't complain, but if China executes some cult terrorists they're up in arms and they b!tch up a storm. The whole world butchers animals by the millions but when Japanese do it, they are called dirty Japanese and people ask for death of all Japanese for killing a few sea mammals.

Europeans and Americans of all races cry foul when a small minority of people in China and Korea eat dogs and other unconventional meats; but when Indians refuse to eat cows they mock them and scorn them. When Muslims don't eat pigs they laugh and think they're strange. Christians call Buddhism and Taoism cult religions and superstition even though both are much older and sensible than Christianity.

Malaysians and Indonesians slaughter Chinese by the thousands, employ the most racist insitutional policies in the world, and NO ONE does anything about it.

And American/European media is always b!tching about Tibet, but they don't give a $hit about the land Russia stole from China (land south of the Amur river and the Sakhalin island). It's obvious to everyone that it's just vile propaganda to deligitimize China's territorial sovereignty so that anti-China fake Tibetan terrorists can pawn Tibet's resources to non-Chinese people for a low price and then bulldoze Tibet's economy to make it into a fetishized tourist dump for non-Chinese wanting to be "enlightened".

Britain and France still hold several works of art and antiques looted from China or bought from common criminals for a few silver. Britain has not recognized its place as a vile gangster state that did great harm to India, China, Africa, the Carribean etc. Britain says they are cultured but they won't even return Athenian statues to Greece. Unless they recognize their sins and start talking like they do, they are a vile nation of immoral drug lords and thieves that should be frankly, annihilated from the face of the earth.

So I guess it's not really about race, but nationality, however many enemy nationalities are of another race. So that fuels the problem. The reason why many people here strongly reject white opinions is because the media from Europe/America always try to shove this agenda of subordination/fetishization of Asians, and they get their pet minority cronies to do the same. They always try to force "democracy", egalitarianism, Christianity, etc. onto other people, by bombing them or sanctioning them so their people starve.

People in Asia, and throughout the developing world, have been treated as non-humans by European/American nations and societies for hundreds of years and their media still does not have the deceny to recognize that fact. It wouldn't be a problem but many people in these countries are very stupid and very ignorant and believe every bit of it, adding their own violence and hatred to it. Even though there are liberals who are relatively decent people, they have no power. The stuff they try to institute just does even more harm to the Africans they treat like pet dogs, who subside on scraps and get a few handed to them every year.

Asians are normally extremely nice but the sustained bias, ignorance and hypocrisy is intolerable and I'm sick of people appeasing these idiots. If you need to fight the entire world because they treat everyone in your race as less than human, people to be slaughtered and politically bullied, then it's best to get as many allies as you can.

well my point is not saying that White or other color aren't racist, or to say that they are saint and have nothing to regret. it is true that China is always criticised by european country for "human right", "tibet invasion" and "tiananmen square murder". if you want my point of view i don't care about how Chinese people rule their country and how they decide to handle internal affair, i mean what right would give a foreigner country the legitimacy to criticise or interfere with a country inner politic. the only right to criticise is when a strong country impose her culture and point of view other a weak country who cannot do anything to defend otherwise it is just bla,bla,bla.... i mean China don't care about what european country or USA say, China will always do things the way it think it has to be done. Europe and USA know nothing will change and just say that to give them selfimportance or selfrightouness wich is quite funny considering their bloody hands, or maybe it is just political plan, to pressure or attain something...



France colonized Africa and develloped a lot African country, when they were colonies, most of African country were very rich and no war was allowed, european socialist at that time said that the new super power would be Africa because they have all the natural ressource and that when european invador get out, Africa will rule the world... sad prediction because as soon as European country gave them independance they has been only chaos and war, and even if the soil were rich in natural ressource, african governor only took everything for them and let the people die (this has nothing to do with france). but even still France continue to give Africa million and milllion of money to help them devellop, we even used our army to protect "cote d'ivoire" from a civil war, almost all african people try to emigrate in France and Europe, it is pretty strange since some people said Europe is racist and colonialist... but well...
France IS guilty of many things, for example abandoning the Algerian people who helped them during the Algerian civil war, for running away from indochina war letting american deal with it, for having colonized many country and try to spread it own culture as a standart value, for helping German invador deporting jews, and many more. Yes France has military power and make and sell weapon, same for Sweeden, Belgium, Russia, USA, German, England and all other powerfull nation....
True that America has almost eradicated Indian native, and Australian the aborigene native, and that American is the most Warcrazy country in the all world, they have the Gun right policy, they have a big army with lot of funding, they are almost always at war in some part of the planete, they used the ultimate nuclear weapon twice over Japan, they used chemical "agent orange" other Vietnam creating a mass ecological disaster, they try to rule the world saying what is good and wrong (LOL i don't like too much american way of doing thing)
as for killing whale by Japanese i don't care to much, but don't compare butchering animal that are raised by human, and wild animal that are going to extinct, unless you don't care about wildlife and think all animal should die.



i ate dog, and it's actually not bad at all, the meat has very strong taste but well prepared it is nice. in France we eat horse wich would be shocking for english people, and also snail (i never tryed it) and frog leg (my first time eating it was in a chinese friend restaurant in France), what people eat depend on their culture and i don't think anyone should complain too much about it because everyone is free to have his own taste.
about religion i think all religion tend to be extreem when they get too much power, poeple who are just religious fanatic and intolerant should try to get in some mountain peek and meditate for the rest of their life instead of imposing their point of view to other. hopefully France is "non religious"
we don't swear on the bible and don't give a damn $hit about religion but still allow anybody to believe in whatever he want to.



It is true that France colonized a part of China and even raided the summer palace in Beijing and looted many goods, in my opinion France should give back the good in term of friendship and good relationship with China, war is part of the past, and now we should all focus about the future.
what you say about nationality is true, but it is false to say that nationality = color, it was maybe true in the past but you only need to look at the french football team to see that France cannot be considered as white anymore. i think the problem is that USA and lot of european country are mixed while Asian country are pretty much Asian very little mixing, wich make Asian more protective and cautious toward all foreigner. of course this doesn't apply to the asian living abroad, the problem for them is that they are a minority trying to fit in a different culture from their own and have problem dealing with it.
I agree that it is bad to Force "Culture" "Point of view" "Egalitarism" "Democracy" upon other and anyway it has always fail, Irak is the most modern example of that, American though they could transform an arabian country ruled by a dictator into an American like democracy under their order, sad mistake. most of arabian country are kingdom or dictatorship why would they care about democracy or westerner way of life. and Africa even tough there are some kind of democracy there is always civil war, putsch, and abused from their leader. Democracy cannot be a thing that is forced upon other because democracy mean freedom, only dictatorship can be forced on other.



It is true that when a country is powerfull it become arrogant and selfcentered, therefor deaf to any kind of difference and diversity. It is true that when French colonized Africa they were thinking like: oh the poor people, i have pity for them, for these lowkind of human, for these unevolved barbarian.
yes it is sad but when someone think he is right and that he possess the absolute truth, he will become like this and make these mistake, wherever it is for domination, eradication or pity, he will not consider other as equal. hopefully europe is no more as selfcentered and powerfull as it was, and now europe is mixing more and more changing the stupid racism of people forcing them to open their eyes. it is not easy and not going well always, but i do have lot of hope that we will be able to live together and understand or at least respect other people culture.
for the bullied and allies thing, i am not sure about what country you talk about but that pretty normal to think that way, everyone needs allies unless the most powerfull, and everyone need to defend when attacked, bullied.
the only thing is not end up hating everyone or all the world because of it. we must try to always keep a part of our heart ready to accept peace, to forgive and accept apologies, and to distinguish good from evil whether in our own kind or in the enemy rank.

for for your post it was pretty interesting, and i am very happy to be able to discuss with you.

Hey guys,

I heard some people saying that France is going down

What is wrong with France now ??? Is it true that one of the presidential candidate is actually a socialist. Please answer

Thank you

Lapin Bleu, you seem like a cool guy, preaching peace, going against racism, saying we re all humans and stuff... blah blah ... we got the message, we love you too.
BS aside, you ve veered off course and you re clearly off topic now... stop beating around the bush and instead of giving us your peace n love/shrinking violet response, reply to the posts actually dealing with the reason you started this thread.
all you did was take things out of context and go on a "michael jackson/we are the world" crusade. preaching peace is an easy way out, of course noone s gonna tell you to do otherwise.

here s how it is :

you : why are people on here racist ? we, "europeans" don t care about race as much as you guys do.

me : you re comparing asians living overseas to "whites" living in their white environment. to make your point valid, compare "asians" living overseas to white expats.

you : "We are the world !!!!!!!!!!!!! We are the children !!!!!!!! We are the ones who make a brighter day lalallalaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!"

me : easy way out sweetie, i love you too !!!!!!!!!

exemple of you taking things out of context :



me originally :


ok, i might have come off a little harsh but you re painting me to be the bad guy here... i never called you an asiaphile in order to insult you, i did in order to express my annoyance at the fact that you seemed to be teaching us about our own culture...just the same way you were preaching us about racism. kinda like me telling a scientist what a beaker and petri dish is...

i ll just stop here since the rest is a completely different debate and between you and moobie... i won t try to pick holes in your lovey dovey argumentation here

02tonyl : http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/04/22...?eref=rss_world

and yes, Royal s a left wing socialist, and Sarkozy s a right wing represent...the rabbit can fill you in !

try http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6622929.stm instead... CNN is not the most reliable source when it comes to European politics.

Thank you very much guys.

I just have 1 more silly question here , hope you guys dont mind : So if that socialist candidate won the presidency, then France will automatically become a socialist country ?? Something like China ??

^from what i understand France already has socialist tendencies and has had socialist presidents before... so i don t think it s gonna radically change anything... but yeah, ask the rabbit...

spain has a socialist president..as for skin color, i dont think they real care cause being light is pushed everywhere so society doesnt really need to do much pushing (skin whitening products etc) the personal decisions for what you do with your skin and how you view skin become more choice driven rather than pushed onto a person once its standard in comparison to.....................

No, it's not even close. I don't know where you're from, but judging from your question, I don't think you're European, so I'll explain.

The (central) European political culture is strictly based on democracy and nothing else (unlike the US, but that's a diff story, let's not go there ). That means that socialism in Europe is kinda adjusted to that strictly democratic model, making it a lot less extreme. You can not compare to the socialism that exists in China or Cuba. That is a totalitairian regime in which the people itself have less to say. Here socialism carries (or should carry ) the basics of Marxism (the backup for the working man, etc... ), but the way they govern a state is always constitutional, meaning that it has to be renewed every few years, and that's where elections come in. So that means that if their governement does a bad job, they will lose votes, meaning they lose power.
Every time when a non-democratic party comes in, it will most likely be banned in any possible way if it gets to become to big.

It's in a nutshell, but that's somewhat how it works. Let's say Hitler taught us all a lesson in dictatorship we won't easily forget.

France owe 1000 000 000 000 000 euro to foreign bank, the social security is bankrupting each year increasing money loss, retirement is paid by the government and cost a hell lot of money we are not even sure if we can pay retirement money till 2020.
France has problem to even pay the interest rate wich are actually quite low at the moment.

France provide free medical care to any foreigner who cannot afford to pay, France has the highest taxe rate in Europe and very restrictive labor laws.
people who work for government have lifetime job they cannot be fired unless extremly big fault. France have 6 million of people who work for government wich is about 27% of the working people.

criminality is pretty high in the outside of big city with many gheto populated manly by arabian and black people. some teenager have been apprehended 42 time by the police for violence or thieving and are still not in jail because the law is very laxist toward non-adult delinquent.
jail in France are so full that most of them have far more people than the maximum it should accept but we have not enough jail so most of the small delinquent that are condemned to less than one year jail actually don't even go to jail. young people in gheto throw stone to firefighter, and play burning cars or trash cans. even the police to dare to come in these place.

France weekly labor hour is limited to 35 hour, rich people are seen as thief and abuser of people wealth, shop owner and boss are seen as slaver and bad, hopefully only the extremist of left wing think like this, but almost all the teacher, the media support the left wing.

About political: in this year election France had 4 candidat from diverse communist faction, 3 from some kind ecology faction, 1 socialist, 1 center (in fact same as socialist) , 1 from conservatism (called in France liberalism) , 2 from extreme right wing (nationalist). maybe i forgot 1 there should be 13 candidats but whatever..

"Tony Blair" in England would be considered extreme right wing liberal in France. Communist in France isn't an insult while Liberal almost is.


but even tough, not everything is lost: the two final candidate is a woman socialist who said that the politic she will make will be decided by the people LOL, and a man conservatist but quite skillfull who will try to do his best, but is called by communist and socialist a dangerous faschist because he doesn't side with criminal and want to put back some order in France.

theres something really sexy about a ultra right wing french government.

is there ?



ps : i luuuuuuuuurv ur avatar sexy !

thank you mama, yours is spicy too... ps: *hug*

hum i didn't think i put it the way you do, but that might be the way you recieved it . i guess i said why are you so concerned about color? instead of why are you racist.... not actually the same.

i am affraid i have no way to know how expats feel so i really don't know what you expect of me...? i have live 1 year in China, and one day i wen to a swimming pool with a korean friend and they say: sorry you can't go in, because your white. do i hate china or asian for it? no. i just feel it is sad because in France black people, asian people, white people all swim together. i have been to remote area of Japan and been stared at like a strange animal LOL i was the only european guy around and it felt cool i feel like i was unique... never i tough what the hell are they staring at me.

you say i am preaching peace and love... come on would you prefer i preach: lets kill each other and let the superior race rule over all??
what wrong with tolerance and respect?

by the way i don't teach you about your own culture unless you think about the post you made: "the Men sux", if you talk about that i think i have pretty much the right to talk since i have been engaged with a chinese expat girl for 8 years with her and her family, so i know what it is to have culture difference and how hard it is to adapt and deal with it.
that's all my lovely Lobster woman

So what do you see for the future of France in year 2020 ??? Can it still retain its first world developed country status ??

LOL are you kidding ??
France ?? the first world develloped country?? LOL

France has its glory when it has all its power and colonies and was a rich country.... long time ago
colonies cost a lot of money....25-30 years of very bad presidents and politics... French rich people emigrating abroad, French industry moving abroad...
every "communist" (economicaly speaking) country get very bad economy and France has a Communist mentality for very long and still has... so no wonder the country is almost bankrupt...
did you see what happened in Argentina, France is maybe the next one to go bankrupt if nothing change.

anyway France never has been the first world develloped country maybe around 3-4 place and today maybe around 17 th LOL if we bankrupt i wonder how low we can sink :p

*breath intake*



*2 pills and a hallelujah later*