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Azntubsta
Don't u think that a vast majority of viet music is copied from other artists? (chinese,japanese etc)...hey embarassedlaugh.gif i'm not saying there is anything wrong with that...honestly....hmm but still... sure.gif...

IN GENERAL ..eheh... embarassedlaugh.gif i think that viet artists should stop copying and make their own music....why...why! why?! must they copy....i'm sure that they can think of their own type of music....WHICH WILL BE BETTER...and WILL BE KNOWN AS THEIR OWN WORK...thus wouldn't be branded by many as ****dadada..(trying not to be specific)..wannabes...and therefore they can be praised by their work and effort too! icon_smile.gif
Ek-ek
eek.gif2 I think every country had some song which were copied from one another it is because the music might be a certified hit, They wanted to have a much broader reach to the audience so they translate it to their own native language in order for the people living in their country to understand it.
naOki
Actually, there's nothing wrong copying songs for foreigner...but it's upseting if we heard ppl saying that our local artiste copied a famous artiste song...i think this would be a humiliation no matter unto the fans or the artiste that copied those... icon_rolleyes.gif
Azntubsta
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I think every country had some song which were copied from one another it is because the music might be a certified hit, They wanted to have a much broader reach to the audience so they translate it to their own native language in order for the people living in their country to understand it.


prolly u are right about some..... not on all occasions though.....


*sigh* i should stop complaining...
Ek-ek
eek.gif2 It was my observation remember that F4 group sang the theme song of Disney's Lilo and Stitch a lot more Chinese appreciate the song and understand it.
Kiseki
I think it also depends who sings it. I know that not many people like the A Teens who sang "Can't Help Falling In Love" so not many people listened to it I suppose. Where as F4 is an AWESOME boy group well known and liked in Asia. Basically what I'm saying is if like NSYNC or Britney or some one like that would sing it, it would've been more popular icon_confused.gif
Ek-ek
QUOTE (Kiseki @ Jun 7 2003, 09:02 PM)
I think it also depends who sings it. I know that not many people like the A Teens who sang "Can't Help Falling In Love" so not many people listened to it I suppose. Where as F4 is an AWESOME boy group well known and liked in Asia. Basically what I'm saying is if like NSYNC or Britney or some one like that would sing it, it would've been more popular icon_confused.gif

cool30.gif Yes, you are right . Some singer give justice to the right sound and lyrics of the music that they copy as for some they sometimes make mockery and quite insulting to the original singer of the music some of them interprets the lyrics and songs very poor. icon_rolleyes.gif
2kyootetouch
well u onli talk about how viet imitate on artist songs..but wat about when krn Japanese chinese..imitate american songs..n plus..its not o nli vietnames artist who copy other artist songs but so do laos,korean,chinese,and manyothers..
plus..we do have alot of songs tat are original..you jus never heard cuz probaly u r not vietnames..but there is alot of good vietnames original songs.
Ek-ek
cool30.gif Yes, But that's what the topic said,so we had to answer it.
nO_cOmMeNt
now-a-days everyone copies from everyone.. not that it's wrong.. well.. it is when you really think of it.. i mean... whatever happened to being unique? creative? and most importantly -yourself?
Azntubsta
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well u onli talk about how viet imitate on artist songs..but wat about when krn Japanese chinese..imitate american songs..n plus..its not o nli vietnames artist who copy other artist songs but so do laos,korean,chinese,and manyothers..
plus..we do have alot of songs tat are original..you jus never heard cuz probaly u r not vietnames..but there is alot of good vietnames original songs.


ah but i have listened to a lot of viet songs...it's just that....argh some of them do it too much...and it sorta...degrades the originality of the song......ai...what am i trying to provoke here??

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now-a-days everyone copies from everyone.. not that it's wrong.. well.. it is when you really think of it.. i mean... whatever happened to being unique? creative? and most importantly -yourself?


biggrin.gif...that is one good point!!

*sigh*....i think a majority of them have lost their creativity....

hmm perhaps the ^ above situation is like....reproducing software, music etc. Now there's nothing wrong with that...disregarding all the hard labour programmers put into creating them...yeah and how the smaller companies are suffering from financial losses...

i truly do not know where this is heading.... sure.gif
Ek-ek
cool30.gif Vietnamese had also original music.
Azntubsta
beerchug.gif true...i've heard of some...
xaznricex198
ok im viet and i dont lik viet musik at all meybe for the same reason as mention by the person who post this but iono somthin wrong wit viet musik
Vuong
i dont kno what they are saying sometimes because they change their voice tones
ManlyMan
QUOTE (Azntubsta @ May 30 2003, 05:02 AM)
Don't u think that a vast majority of viet music is copied from other artists? (chinese,japanese etc)...hey  embarassedlaugh.gif i'm not saying there is anything wrong with that...honestly....hmm but still... sure.gif...

The vast majority of viet musics???? You my friend obviously know nothing about your statement. While there are many "pop songs" copied from other cultures (as if chinese and japanese don't copy from other cultures in the past), but LOL pop musics are only a small percentage of viet musics, and even within the realm of viet pop musics, only a small percentage is copied from the chinese and japanese. Why don't you give us a figure as to what your estimation "vast majority" really is? Or are you selectively listening to those "copied songs" and then throwing your judgement in thin air? I'm willing to bet the farm you don't know.

And btw, I would say the majority of the pop songs that viet do copy are not copied from chinese or japanese; they're copied from the french in the 60s (and some american songs too). The french had a more lasting effect on viet pop musics than the chinese and japnese (which I equate to "karaoke" quality). Viet pop songs copied from the french hold more value and still do to this day, more so than those copied from the chinese and japanese. The reason for this quality difference is simple. Those viets who copied musics from the french in the 60s were actually real musicians with an understanding of musics, while today's viet teenie boopers who copied chinese and japanese musics have only a scant understanding of music theory, and even then it's from karaoke CDs imported from china and japan. LOL.

And I agree with you. Viet should stop copying songs from china and japan. They sound quite ear-piercing to me. But unfortunately, I'm not these teenie boopers so I don't care really. Purpose of my post was to point out your ignorance.

When it comes to modern musics, asians copy from the West, or more appropriately, the West export their musics to asia via mass media.
Ek-ek
I think that was just an example given by the author of the topic. See the etc... written in the posts.
ManlyMan
yeah I saw the "etc" and his "vast majority" quantification too. My bet is he used "etc" out of habit and ignorance too. Using "etc" is an easy and inexpensive way to blur one's argument and opinion as "etc" could mean 1 or 1000 things.
sHoRti_bEbi
yehh i do start to get annoyed at how most of the viet songs i hear are just copies. It sounds alright though.. i just don't like how even the recent songs are just copies of chinese 80's songs.. coz that means they're a decade behind. It's more the nhac tre are copies. the old style has a lot more original i think......... but thats if ur willing to listen to it..
Kiseki
Old style vietnamese is interesting but sometimes after watching Paris by Night I can only watch american MTV for a week because the thing they do with the tones of their voice oddly get stuck in my head. But the more poppish stuff like Don Ho and the freaky "come and dance now my love" instead of "corazon de malao" thast kinda interesting.
sHoRti_bEbi
haha how about tuan hung's version of craig david's 'walking away' song.. sounds pretty dodgy.. esp when he's singing in english
vi3tgirl3
o! trish thuy trang did ann thitima pratoomtip's song when it was really in thai. but she always makes it good. kiss.gif
Kiseki
QUOTE (sHoRti_bEbi @ Aug 24 2003, 08:51 AM)
haha how about tuan hung's version of craig david's 'walking away' song.. sounds pretty dodgy.. esp when he's singing in english

LOL that is SCARY more than FREAKY cuz i was watchin a show i think it was... i was out of the room and the next thing I here is what i thought was a craig david song... i come back and all of the sudden im forced into a very different rendition of "walking away"
ManlyMan
I have one questions to all the vietnamese and non-vietnamese in here. Why and how the heck can you people even pick up a Paris By Night, or Asia By Night, or Saigon Night, tape and listen to these so-call "viet artists"???? I mean guys like Don Ho, Henry Truc, and they kinda I can't listen to. And the only singers I watch are the cute females but that's only because I'm a viet male and I like to watch hot and sexy viet girls shake their bootay. Other than that, I don't know what the hell they are yelling about.

Do I sound harsh? ^_^. Tell you the truth, most pop singers, I don't care if they're chinese, viet, japanese, american, koreans, latin, are pretty low on my list of musical talents. They have no real talent at all. I mean even the likes of Britney Spears and InSycn and BackStreetboys. They all hire pretty much the same choreographers, use the same poppy synthesizer beat, and put on a fakeass sexy act with a huge laser light show and fireworks to arouse the kiddies. Not exactly dazzling talents if you asked me. Same with the viet singers. All too boring.

Wanna know what's music to my ear? How about a sexy female violin virtuoso dressed in a knee high flower dress playing some romantic violin pieces while I put my head on her laps?????? Oh yeah, the moon is full so I will be in my werewolf mode! heheheeeeeee
CyberKing
Hi all,

To answer the question above, I would have to say your question is a good one, but according to the fact it's not true

I've been working for a Vietnamese Radio station for more than 2 years already. I have my own show which people can call in and request/dedicate songs to their friends and stuffs...I have a collection of more than 10,000 Vietnamese song in MP3 format. Only 1 percent of those songs are translative from other foreign countries' songs. In fact only a few Vietnamese songs are in POP, Dance, Jazz, Rock styles. Majority of Viet songs are their own original style and that is about 98 percent of the total

So just in case you have a friend who like songs that were translated from other languages...please don't consider that all Viet song are like that.

Majority of people who calling in to request/dedicate a song to their friends ..they do (most of the time) request a Viet original song!

That should have explained quite a bit to y'all icon_smile.gif

Best,
sHoRti_bEbi
wOW i realli didnt know that hey.
but i would say.. more the copied songs are more popular or something..... because most of the viet songs are i have are copies (eSP. the viet american artists)
khachdatinh
before 1975, vietnamese music are mostly original. after 1975, no more artists, most of them are copied. well in my opinion.
no1trishfan
i fink dat viet musik...where they actually sing in viet...is kinda borin ... its 2 slow n makes u wanna sleep....

viet pplz do copy a lot...i do realise dat but it sounds gud...especially TRISH's songs.....but she rites most of her songs...only da first few r copied bcos she dun no how 2 rite musik from da beginnin....

i like da chinese translated songs...neva herd ne Japanese/korean or thai ones....but asia entertainment has a lot of yung talents in it like Asia4, TRISH, Le tam, Shayla cos they rite their own songs....
sHoRti_bEbi
vieTS are worst at copying than other asians. it sounds soo bad in comparison with the original for most songs.. but i guess its not their fault.. but the viet from america is reALLLY bad
IORI
I've seen vietnamese pop muisic it's funny because it's like watching an 80's karoke song everything kinda sounds the same and when u hear them sing it's like they're singing from a karoke bar.

Why does viet music sound like that?
sHoRti_bEbi
because they're too poor to make it sound any better.. haha i duno
buT the viet music industry is prolli more than ten years behind the rest of the world
V3SPA
im kool with it, but it is getting a lil' annoying i was watching sum "paris by night" dvd's and there are jus so many songs there use, mostly from chinese and korean. lol, i would have to i love the version of the song "bang bang" good song, LoLz
Smallvietgurl
we have rights
VooDiak
of course u do smallvietgirl...copied music roam everywhere nowadays all creativity ...gone lost forever ... bawling.gif ....sammi cheng is getting no where....hey does anyone know any new song that she hasn't copied from someone??? where where where?
1-hMoNg-LaDy
I think vietnamese singer are very good at singing in English,but i'm wondering..do they really know how to speak English that GOOD?!
Just a curious state of mind..
Kulong
There's nothing wrong with "copying" music as long as it's legal and the singer obtained permission from the original song writer.
Colordevil
QUOTE (Kulong @ Dec 16 2003, 08:43 PM)
There's nothing wrong with "copying" music as long as it's legal and the singer obtained permission from the original song writer.

yea agree, btw, wat is legal?( not the definition)
therra
not understanding korean, japanese or chinese, vietnamese artists who mimic other artists, or whoever is mimicking who, still doesn't sound as bad as listening to a song i have no idea what it is about. besides, music is a taste. to say that one artist is better than the other or that the old ones are more talented than the new ones, is no different than saying that classical is better than trance, and vice versa.
Smallvietgurl
we had our own music too!and some other people translated it into their own languages,so we are not the only ones that copy,and its only in vids not selling its just for fun
VooDiak
QUOTE (Smallvietgurl @ Dec 19 2003, 08:12 PM)
we had our own music too!and some other people translated it into their own languages,so we are not the only ones that copy,and its only in vids not selling its just for fun

i agree...

yeah i guess it's sometimes better to hear it in your own language...so probably that's why people copy hey...
Kulong
Yes, I agree that most people would rather hear a song in their own language than a language that they don't understand. With that said though, the original song writer deserves recognition and financial compensation.

When I watch music videos of Taiwanese pop, every once in a while I would see one where it states the songer writer is American, European, or Korean, so the original song writer does get recognition. Whether they get financial compensation or not I don't know for sure, but if they are putting the original song writers' names as credit on the music video, I seriously doubt they didn't pay them.
tqt
My best friend is composing several songs right now. I wish him the best of luck that one day his songs will be sung by the viet singers.
vietxboy
QUOTE (Azntubsta @ May 30 2003, 07:02 AM)
Don't u think that a vast majority of viet music is copied from other artists? (chinese,japanese etc)...hey embarassedlaugh.gif i'm not saying there is anything wrong with that...honestly....hmm but still... sure.gif...

IN GENERAL ..eheh... embarassedlaugh.gif i think that viet artists should stop copying and make their own music....why...why! why?! must they copy....i'm sure that they can think of their own type of music....WHICH WILL BE BETTER...and WILL BE KNOWN AS THEIR OWN WORK...thus wouldn't be branded by many as ****dadada..(trying not to be specific)..wannabes...and therefore they can be praised by their work and effort too! icon_smile.gif

u are the biggest idiot/f@g...
if u dont kno wut u talkin bout and if u aint viet, dont say shiet...

u jus trying to put down viet for no reason...

chinese, korean, japanese, copy music, why dont u say they copy but instead jus say viet and say *VAST MAJORITY*

wtf is that... thats like online shiet talking right there

where u from? madgo.gif
vietxboy
QUOTE (sHoRti_bEbi @ Oct 26 2003, 12:06 AM)
because they're too poor to make it sound any better.. haha i duno
buT the viet music industry is prolli more than ten years behind the rest of the world

are u stupid? i am viet and im not trying to promote viet or nething but i use to listen to english songs, then chinese songs, and now i listen to viet songs/english...

why? cuz viet song is becoming more and more updated with their pops/dance
there more great songs and their as agood as industry as anyone...

so fuk u, wtf is 10 years? vietnam ppl arent cave man u fuker
vietxboy
QUOTE (sHoRti_bEbi @ Oct 1 2003, 10:33 AM)
wOW i realli didnt know that hey.
but i would say.. more the copied songs are more popular or something..... because most of the viet songs are i have are copies (eSP. the viet american artists)

u idiot, obviously the songs u have are copied...

tell urself u listen to non pop music??

if not, u should open ur mouth
vietxboy
QUOTE (sHoRti_bEbi @ Oct 14 2003, 02:46 AM)
vieTS are worst at copying than other asians. it sounds soo bad in comparison with the original for most songs.. but i guess its not their fault.. but the viet from america is reALLLY bad

wtf is ur prob???
have u heard pakis, indies, cambos, laos, etc translate???

how many viet songs u heard in your life? 10? 50?

u jus like making things up? what happen backin your info up?
got proof? your opinion?? SAY MY OPINION?!


loser
vietxboy
QUOTE (IORI @ Oct 25 2003, 11:19 PM)
I've seen vietnamese pop muisic it's funny because it's like watching an 80's karoke song everything kinda sounds the same and when u hear them sing it's like they're singing from a karoke bar.

Why does viet music sound like that?

why do all jazzz songs sound the same?
why do all pop song sound the same?

thats wut u asking?...

u prolly heard only one type of group of song like classical...
vietxboy
ok guys im not trying to be rude or nething, but the comments of this thread was pretty harsh...

admins... please dont remove or ban me cuz i try not to violate ne rules... im jus expressing my opinions....

this thread is jus the same as... my example below --->

*why are cambo girls so ugly? there jus a copy of paki girls*

clearly what is typed above in the stars is wrong...

why would sum1 say that? mayb cuz they saw a few cambo girls dressed up in temple clothes and arent pretty girls...

--> after they see that, they go talking around...

this is my point, thats exactly what ppl who have negatives of viet song is trying to do...

i like all kinds of songs, chinese english, korean, viet... anything catchy...
if i dislike one particular song, who what? who cares...

one more example... every so often, i hear a glimpse of paki song wheter i hear it in the bus or whatever... ive always hated it cuz obviously i dont understand it, and i think they all sound the same... DO I GO ON TO THE PAKI THREAD AND BAD MOUTH PAKIS FOR HAVING CRAPPY MUSIC??!

sigh... u guys grow up and have some courtesy...
holamon
Here's an example of pure stealing. BTW, anyone of you listening to Linda Trung Dai? Most of her songs are copied from someone else.

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Japanese jazz pianist accuses Vietnamese musician of piracy

06 April 2004

Keiko Matsui, one of Japan's most popular contemporary jazz pianists and composers, has accused a famous Vietnamese musician of stealing one of her tracks and putting his name to it.

In a letter sent to Vietnamese state media, Matsui's husband, Kazu, who is also her producer, expressed his shock that her 1991 composition "Frontier" had been copied by Bao Chan and renamed "Tinh Thoi Xot Xa".

"What I can say is that this case is very clear. Since the two versions are exactly the same tune, not just some sections are similar, nor some ideas are copied, but the whole tune is copied," he said in a letter written in English.

"I did not want to use the word 'stolen', but in this case he copied (the) whole tune ... saying that he composed it. That is very wrong."

He added: "Her (Matsui's) talent is in composition. She does not have to copy anything and I have produced all the albums. All the tunes were born in our house in Tokyo or (the) US."

"Frontier" was released on Matsui's acclaimed "Cherry Blossom" album in 1992. "Tinh Thoi Xot Xa" was first sung in Vietnam after that by Hong Nhung, one of the country's most loved divas.

Chan, 54, however, has insisted that he did not steal Matsui's composition and said it was a coincidence that the two sounded similar.

"It is normal that 'Tinh Thoi Xot Xa' has similarities to a Japanese piece of music and I am sure that the Japanese did not steal my music and me neither," he told Tuesday's Tuoi Tre newspaper.

"I composed it in the 1980s but I do not remember what year exactly and I did not keep the draft music."

But Kazu, 49, said that if this had happened in the United States, their management company would have taken Chan to court "and we can win easily."

"But we are not sure what we should do. Since it happened in Vietnam and we do not know people there.

"Please ask Vietnamese people for us, what we should do. Please tell them to make the composer, Bao Chan, to tell the truth and make us some suggestions," he said. "Bao Chan knows, we know and Buddha knows the facts.

Tran Quoc Hung, deputy head of the music and dance section at the culture and information department in Ho Chi Minh City -- Chan's hometown -- said they were monitoring the case.

"We've just heard about it through state media and public opinon. We will not be able to do anything until we receive official complaints from both sides."

Unauthorised, illegal copies of music CDs and movie DVDs are widely available in Vietnam, where enforcement of copyright, trademarks and intellectual property rights is extremely poor, but this is believed to be the first time a foreign artist has made such accusations.

The classically-influenced Matsui, who is discreet about her age and lives in Tokyo and Los Angeles with her husband and their two daughters, has released 16 albums in Japan, the United States and Europe, all composed by her.

Her latest album "Wildflower" hit the charts in February 2004 as part of a project supporting the UN World Food Programme's activities in Africa.



Updates On The Case

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Vietnamese musician disciplined for copying Japanese jazz pianist

09 June 2004

A Vietnamese musician has been disciplined following a complaint by Keiko Matsui, one of Japan's most popular contemporary jazz pianists and composers, that he copied her material.

The Vietnam Musicians Association, which is under the control of the Communist Party, ruled that Bao Chan had been "seriously infected" by overseas influences, the state-controlled Thanh Nien newspaper said Wednesday.

Specifically, the Association, in an official report issued on Monday, said his piece "Tinh Thoi Xot Xa" bore significant resemblance to Matsui's 1991 composition "Frontier".

It issued a formal warning to the 54-year-old, but stopped short of imposing a fine or any other sanction.

"Frontier" was released on her acclaimed "Cherry Blossom" album in 1992. "Tinh Thoi Xot Xa" was first sung in Vietnam after that by Hong Nhung, one of the country's most loved divas.

The case first came to light when Matsui's producer-husband, Kazu, sent a letter sent to Vietnamese state media in April accusing Chan of stealing his wife's composition.

"What I can say is that this case is very clear. Since the two versions are exactly the same tune, not just some sections are similar, nor some ideas are copied, but the whole tune is copied," he said in English.

"I did not want to use the word 'stolen', but in this case he copied (the) whole tune ... saying that he composed it. That is very wrong."

Unauthorised, illegal copies of music CDs and movie DVDs are widely available in Vietnam, where enforcement of copyright, trademarks and intellectual property rights is extremely poor, but this was believed to be the first time a foreign artist had made such accusations.

The classically-influenced Matsui, who is discreet about her age and lives in Tokyo and Los Angeles with her husband and their two daughters, has released 16 albums in Japan, the United States and Europe, all composed by her.

Her latest album "Wildflower" hit the charts in February 2004 as part of a project supporting the UN World Food Programme's activities in Africa.
Rocky Cuong V
I preper to hear Trish sing copy song of Titanic than selen dion anyday!
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