have any of your family members ever spent time in refugee camps after the fall of saigon. my gfs friends said her parents junk/boat had landed them to pi, and they spent a few month or years up there before going in the us. any refugee experiences in your family?

My family spent some time in the Thai refugee camps of Phanatnikom and Sikiew.

My dad spent about 5 years in Malaysia where he told me that he was threatened to be beat up by Malaysians if he was caught eating pork, since they are muslim though. For those 5 years I believe he ate nothing but canned sardines.

What's so good about pork anyway. It's the worst kind of meat for the human body imaginable.

So what? It's still edible. I really doubt Vietnam would kill all it's pigs and lose lots of means to live on just because the meat is the worst out of them all.

$hit is edible too, I guess.

LOL but that was not even the point. Your dad stayed in a Muslim country as a guest, he must respect their customs. It was all fair to me.

What's so sad about not having pork to eat for 5 years? So my grandma's saying is true, Vietnamese and Chinese people cannot live without pork.

Well it's not a total muslim country since if it was, then they wouldn't have pork to begin in the country anyway.

Oh and the pork for 5 years is not the sad part, the sad part is having to eat nothing but canned sardines for 5 years. Can you handle eating nothing but canned sardines for 5 years?

Not exactly. But since they were managed by Muslims, do you expect the Muslims to slaughter the pigs and give it to the Vietnamese? Or do you expect them to be near the dirty pigs?

The Malays are generous. They could have banned pigs in the country if they wanted to. You shouldn't stretch that generosity too far.

Oh so you think eating canned sardines is bad? Go to Africa and see for yourself. How about having nothing to eat for days on end, or having to dig up roots and catching mice for dinner? Yummmmm

Ok then why didn't they slaughter the pigs when they converted to Islam? The fact that Malaysia still sells pork shows that eating it there isn't a violation of the culture of that country since they are selling it there.

Well you should thank the Malays for being tolerant of other cultures. It will be fine for them as long as it does not violate their way of life or worshipping of Allah in anyway.

But it was the ethnic Malays who managed the ref camp so don't expect them to tolerate such behaviour right under their nose.

Since when did people have to ditch their human rights just to play in the rules of a country?

I mean look at Vietnam, Islam is not an official religion there, does that mean Muslims there should be corteous to their host country and not practice their religion there?

Vietnam is culturally tolerant and still allows Mosques despite the religion not being an official one.

I believe one has the right to practice what religion they want and eat whatever they want, regardless of what country they are staying in.

its not true , i dont like pork

I can't stand the smell of pork,

If you can't distinguish between the significance of religion as compare to pork, then I'm sure pork and $hit is of no difference and significance to you.

That how some of this Islamic extremists are. Just because they don't eat pork, they think other people shouldn't be eating either. How about countries with porking eating majority such as VN, Cambodia, and Thailand forces those muslim minorities to eat pork. I wonder how they would feel?

Oh just in case you didn't know, let me tell you.

In the good old times of the Khmer Rouges, the KR savages (your countrymen) forced the Muslim Chams and Cambodians in Cambodia to eat pork or die. They refused and were executed by the KRsavages. Tens of thousands of Muslims in Cambodia died this way during the reign of terror simply because they refused to eat pork. A Muslim would rather die than eat pork.

Now will your dad kill himself if he is not given pork to eat?

Back to the topic please!!!!

Lol.. Now that you're in on the secret about Chams during Khmer Rouge. None refused the pork that were fed to them. After eating a couple of times, the Khmers and Chinese couldn't catch up with the Chams in picking up the pork meat on the table. They were one quick pork eater. You just reminded me of how we used to laugh about it. Let me tell you why the Chams were executed b/c they rebelled. I guess they would have been killed also if they refused to eat pork, but none refused it. I should know b/c I came from Kampong Cham, which was full of Chams. Get it Kampong = town in malay and Cham = Cham. Thanks for the good laugh again

http://workmall.com/wfb2001/cambodia/cambo...ommunities.html


Ignorance Are you speaking for all the Chams or just a few coward Chams who rather save their lives by eating pork then defending Islam?

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Not a fews, but a whole town. Actually, several towns. The reason why they were executed b/c one of them were a KR field commander or something and he lead the Chams to a rebellion and the KR almost wiped the Chams out in Cambodia.

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Khmers and Chineses love pork. So, there were no forcing. In fact, KR hardly fed Khmers and Chineses any pork.



What's your point. Khmer and Chinese temples and schools were also shut down or destroyed. So, Chams were not the only victims in that respect.

There's a huge difference between the $hit and pork. Just because your religion forbids it, it automatically means it is $hit?

Ok Pig makes baloney,pork,ham and lots of Vietnamese soups have pork as well. It taste almost like a cross between chicken and beef.

Pork has always been eaten by Vietnamese and I will not stop eating it.

Pork these days are fed with whole grain you know.

http://www.albertapork.ca/consumers/otheressential.htm

Pork is loaded with vitamin B1,B2,B3,B6, and B12. It's loaded with Vitamin B.

How is that even close to $hit.

Like I said if your Muslim then I respect your decision not to eat pork, but you shouldn't call what other people eat as "$hit" just because it is not allowed in your religion.

About the point of the pork for refugee camps, My dad could care less if he was given pork or not, he doesn't give 2 craps about it. What was rude is that they threatened to BEAT HIM UP if he did. What kind of cortesy is that? Vietnamese refugees who haven't done anything yet and are already being threatened by the Muslims. How would you like it if I went to Vietnam found some muslim minority and threatened them not to practice their religion or else I'll beat them up?

The main point is that you shouldn't be aggressive to people without any good reason yet.

dudes religion plays a big role in human psyche, that is why people act the way they do, so eating pork etc customs such as are really a biggy in such situations. even to the point of dying.

but back to the topic, who else here have refugee camp stories.

Ok I don't recall even posting that comment about homosexuality. I Would like to set the record straight that I have no problem with homosexuality and have a great respect for homosexuals.

Oh come on, we're living in the 21st century. You should open your mind about the issue of homosexuality. Don't live in the past. To set the record straight, the Islam that was taught by the prophet was not against homosexuality. However, through the sand of time and different interpretations, people has become backward in their thinking and started being intolerant of homosexuality. Early Greece, China and so many other civilisations accepted homosexuality as part of humanity. It is in fact the Christians who started ostracising homosexuals. I'm sure Jesus and God did not tell them to do that.

Pork, on the other hand is strictly forbidden by Islam. And being a Muslim, I must abide by that law.

How can you mix the two issues - homosexuality and eating pork? A person being homosexual does not have anything to do with me as long as they do not violate my way of life. However, forcing me to eat pork is a violation of my rights as a human being to worship my religion and obey God's order. Same goes with being in contact with pigs and so on.

Next time, when using an example, at least try to find something more suitable and similar in nature ok?

what does eating pork and homosexuality have anything to do wid dis topic about families spending time in refugee camps anyways??

Naturally since Kampong Cham belonged to the Eastern Zone which was never totally trusted by Pol Pot.

That was cruel how the KR tried to dishonor the Cham with pork meat.


NQSH,
Did you live in Sikiew or Panatnikom ?

uh.. yes but vietnamese refugees here in the philippines weren't forced to convert to christianity nor did we prevent vietnamese to practice what they've already been doing. i mean, what's the deal anyway? malaysia should realize that viets are different from them. yes, they were there as "guests" but still, malaysia should've been more tolerant and open-minded about these things.

and, i'd rather eat pork for 5 straight years than canned sardines. i can do lots of things with pork (bacon!) while with the sardines, i'm just stuck with carcinogens.

Yes, I agreed with you that what the KR did to the Chams were cruel. But then again the KR were cruel to everyone. For example, two of my cousins were Budhist monks and the KR forced them to disrobe and to join the KR army.

I am not trying to defend the KR's actions. However, as you know KR were communists and commies do not believe in religion. Thus, all people of faith in Cambodia were not spared from KR's brutalities during its regime.

Anyway, I am now glad that Cambodia is trying to correct the wrongs it did to its Cham people in the past. Chams are now allowed to practice their religion freely and openly. Cham mosques and schools are popping all over Cham communities in Cambodia. In fact, they even have their own radio show in Cham language. I don't know if Chams in VN have such things.

Btw, I just want to make it clear that the Cham uprising was totaly different from the Eastern Zone's rebellion during KR time.

Anyway, I don't understand why someone should speak highly of the Malaysian cruel treatments of Vietnamese refugees in Malaysia.

STFU holamon. Stupid cambodian. Go back to your dirty cambodian section.

Say bye-bye Jayson = nosyaJ. You will be gone soon enough. Hahaha another ban for life coming up soon

You are not welcomed here cambo boy.

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My mom lived in a Thai refugee camp for 2-3 years. In Songklha she told me..
My dad came to Singapoor...
My aunt and uncle came to Indonesia

ehhh, not really man, i dont think we can live without rice.

i can live without pork, but NOT RICE, never.

OK so the Koran is against homosexuality, SO WHAT?

Does the fact that there are homosexual people in this world will make any difference to me? Will they violate my way of life or my worship of Allah?

There are certain things that you can forgo with the Koran but there are also limits, and eating pork is the ultimate sin and unwashable. UNDERSTAND?

So what? same thing with Pork. So how would a bunch of refugees eating pork gonna affect Muslims anyway? According to the Quran, they are gonna go to hell anyway for being a pagan anyway, so what's the difference if they eat pork or not?

They can do whatever they want, we don't CARE. But if because of the fact that they eat pork affect us in anyway, we won't tolerate it. You raise pigs, they walk around $hitting, mucking up the whole place. And when you kill them, blood is everywhere, waste etc. The Muslim caretakers of the ref camp will most likely come in contact with it. It's a sin and no amount of water will wash it away. I've learnt this lesson.

There is a limit to everything in our society, that's why people eat chicken but not eating their own kind.

The no pork rule started in Judaism first you know.

As for the pork rule I doubt they are allowed to raise animals to eat in refugee camps. They would have more likely have just buoght food at stores that sold pork and eat it instead, just like we do here, where most of us don't raise animals to eat, we buy them from the store to eat. Most likely buying fast food pork from Malaysian restaurants.

Then you should know that being refugees, they are not allowed to leave the camp to mix with the civilian population.

I know, then why did they threaten them to not eat pork if they can't even go out to buy it?

It's not like they came to Malaysia with pigs or anything.

It was obvious that they threatened them to boost their ego.

It's a warning, not a threat. That's just like a cop telling you if you drink and drive, you'll be fined or going to gaol. There's a difference Byron.

Yeah but the difference is, a drunk can choose to drink and drive.

A refugee can't go out and buy pork since they aren't allowed to leave the camp and if they did escape, I doubt they would come back.

There was no reason to warn or threaten to BEAT THEM UP, other than to boost their own ego.

WTF? You're so lame. So you want your dad to eat pork then get canned instead of being warned?

Ahhh this nonsense I won't be bothered to reply anymore.

I could care less about eating pork, I just think it was rude to threaten to beat people up. If they wanted to warn, they could have just said so, without the "beating up" part.

eating pork is really bad to muslims who really practice the religion, my uncle was born in a muslim family several hndreds of years in the religion told me so since i was five, but homosexuality too, its bad also. but really if you go around the world youll find not all muslims, or peeps born in islamic families do practice their own individual belief, while still considering being a muslim. i know a muslim guy who don't mind eating pork, especially if he don't know the meat, but mostly he'd say no or he has a different reason for not eating eat, he said it was dirty because pigs are dirty or so he said.

but going back to the topic, were they treated okay, and how was it when they were kicked out, and how was the camp like.

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Ditto what flipcambatmedic said. I have an Indonesian friend here in the State who don't mind eating pork as long as he doesn't know. In fact, he just suggests that we don't tell him at all so can enjoy all of the pizzas also.

This threat got derailed pretty fast.

Anyways, back on topic. My family spent 9 years in various camps in Hong Kong back in the 80s. I think we first stayed at the camp near Kai Tak airport, then we moved to a less restrictive camp a few years later. We were basically allowed to live a normal life there, leaving and going as we pleased, both my parents had fulltime jobs and I went to school with the other childrens in the camp at a school nearby.

I don't remember much from that time since I was only 1 when we arrived and 10 when I left. We stayed there for so long that all 3 of my little brothers were born there. I wouldn't mind going back there one day and revisit that period in my life, too bad everything is pretty much demolished ever since Hong Kong's new government deemed refugee an unpleasant distraction.

Well he shouldn't be a Muslim.

I know some Muslims that drinks. Have you ever tried acohol NQSH??